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Featured Homosexuality and religious.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Seeker of White Light, Sep 21, 2022 at 12:17 AM.

  1. Goldemar

    Goldemar A queer sort

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    In what way(s) are the relevant laws for people's benefit? I identify as queer and polysexual. If I was a Baha'i, how would I benefit from the Baha'i laws on homosexuality?
     
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  2. Goldemar

    Goldemar A queer sort

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    The God that I refer to as God is not the creator of the material world in my belief system. I believe it was the creator of the material world, who is referred to as God by your average Jew, Christian, Moslem, and Baha'i (to reference four Abrahamic religions), who introduced these harmful, hateful laws against homosexuality.
     
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    No, I do not have to, I choose to.
    That is what I have said all along so there is no flip-flop.
     
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  4. Vinayaka

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    It's my coined word for the Bahai echo chamber. Once upon a time, I had the stupidity to engage with adherents of the Baha'i faith for a longer period of time, like almost 2 years I think. It was like talking to one person with 5 different names, and after getting used to the commonalities in the language, answers, and all that, I coined a new word for it.
     
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  5. Trailblazer

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    That is not what I said.
    Trailblazer said:

    I do not have a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality.
    I agree with the Baha'i Laws regarding homosexuality, that is all.

    The fact that I agree with the Baha'i Laws does not mean that I have negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality.
     
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  6. Trailblazer

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    I was fully aware of the passages in question, but as I have said from the very beginning, those are not homophobia.

    homophobia: dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
    what is homophobia - Google Search
     
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    No, I do not accept that. The passages do not indicate dislike of or prejudice against gay people, only disapproval of gay sexual behavior.

    homophobia: dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
    what is homophobia - Google Search
     
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  8. Trailblazer

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    That is correct,

    26: O SON OF BEING! How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me.
    The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 10

    and it might be nice if some nonreligious people followed suit. ;)
     
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  9. Trailblazer

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    There is no contradiction whatsoever.

    The quote about not accepting His statements and His tokens blindly (see below) refers to what we are supposed to do while we are investigating His claims in order to determine if they are the Truth, what we are supposed to do BEFORE we become a Baha'i. It does not refer to what we are supposed to do AFTER we become a Baha'i. After we become a Baha'i we are not to question what God has revealed, we are to obey it.

    “Bahá’u’lláh asked no one to accept His statements and His tokens blindly. On the contrary, He put in the very forefront of His teachings emphatic warnings against blind acceptance of authority, and urged all to open their eyes and ears, and use their own judgement, independently and fearlessly, in order to ascertain the truth. He enjoined the fullest investigation and never concealed Himself, offering, as the supreme proofs of His Prophethood, His words and works and their effects in transforming the lives and characters of men.”
    Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, p. 8
     
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    It is against the Law of God.
     
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    I can only answer that from a Baha'i perspective. I believe you would benefit because you would be adhering to the Law of God, which would be in your best interest.

    Aside from that, Baha'i Laws are for the benefit of society collectively and they stress the importance of marriage and family. Individuals are part of society since they make up society.

    “The Bahá’í teachings on sexual morality centre on marriage and the family as the bedrock of the whole structure of human society and are designed to protect and strengthen that divine institution. Bahá’í law thus restricts permissible sexual intercourse to that between a man and the woman to whom he is married.”

    The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, p. 223
     
  12. Goldemar

    Goldemar A queer sort

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    That doesn't really answer my question - how exactly do people benefit? Why is adhering to the Law of God in someone's best interest exactly?
     
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  13. Trailblazer

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    I cannot say why I feel this way about sex out of wedlock. I was not raised as a Christian and I do not remember anyone ever talking about sex when I was growing up, at home or in school.
    I believe these ideas about sex originate from the Bible, and they have been carried forth in Islam and the Baha'i Faith. If you are nonreligious they might not make sense or serve a purpose for you, but for those who believe in the scriptures they are the Laws of God. We believe that God knows what is best for humans since God created us, thus the Laws are for our own benefit.
    No, I am not endorsing the Baha'i teachings for anyone else. I am only saying I believe they are good and moral, and I explain why I believe that.
    No, I was just wondering why a Christian would not be following what the Bible says. I am not judging anyone.
     
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    Simply put, I believe that God knows what is best for humans since God created humans.
    We benefit because we are doing what is in our best interest.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist

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    But to be fair, it is homophobia per Wikipedia.
     
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  16. Goldemar

    Goldemar A queer sort

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    Ah, the 'God knows best' argument. I don't think that's a very strong argument, but you are entitled to your belief.
     
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    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    Utter nonsense.
    People get married so they can get visas, work permits, etc, and they have no intention of having a committed relationship with the person they marry.
    You have been sadly misinformed.

    What country is that, where married people don't get a marriage certificate?

    "Ending commitment" does not depend on anything other that a person's willingness to end that commitment.
     
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    KWED Scratching head, scratching knee

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    But "marriage" is not required for a legally binding contract between two people.
     
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  20. Policy

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    Yep. If we cannot agree on what morality is, then we certainly cannot have a discussion on common ground.
     
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