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Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit?

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Eddi, Feb 2, 2021.

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  1. Eddi

    Eddi reformed crackpot

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    This post is intended for Christians:

    What do you prefer to call the third member of the Trinity? And why?

    Out of Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit?


    I prefer "Ghost" as it sounds more personal

    "Spirit" is more synonymous with "force" or "energy" and is to me somewhat impersonal

    My understanding of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is that he is a distinct person
     
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    Hi Eddi. There is no Trinity. And it's much better designated as Holy Spirit as ghost means "an apparition".
     
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    Trinity is the name of the explanation that the three persons, God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are the one God per Deuteronomy 6:4.
    Now there are other explanations. I do not think those other explanations are right.

    I trust you will comment on this issue.
     
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    The use of the term Holy Ghost is to be understood to be the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Holy Spirit hands down.
     
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    Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots shall bear fruit:
    Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
    Isa 11:3 And his delight shall be in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
    Isa 11:4 but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

    And the Ghost of the LORD shall rest upon him.....the Ghost of wisdom and understanding.......the Ghost of counsel and might.....the Ghost of knowledge....and with the Ghost of his lips shall he slay the wicked ??

    I don't think God has a Ghost that proceeds from Himself, but rather His own Spirit He puts on people whereby they can have things that He himself has. Like wisdom and understanding and knowledge. And also could perform miracles like raising the dead and healing the sick and speaking languages they never were trained in.
     
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    When I was a kid it was always holy ghost, then it changed to holy spirit, probably the better fit.
     
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    I prefer Holy Spirit. As I understand it, there were two Universities in England that were charged with translating portions of the NT... one University translated it Holy Spirit and the other Holy Ghost, but they are the same manifestation of God.
     
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    You can call it "Godhead" if you want to be scriptural. But certainly not "an apparition". :)
     
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    I use either or. I like both. Ghost is old school but still acceptable.
     
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    Yes Holy Ghost is Germanic cf. Heilige Geist while Holy Spirit is Latin origin, Spiritus Sanctus.
     
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    Hands down the most succinct explanation of the Trinity you'll ever encounter is in two videos by the Holy Annunciation Church in Brisbane, Australia. Its short and somewhat surprising if you haven't heard it before. What I thought was the most interesting was the dialogue about humans becoming divine.


    @Eddi
    Best wishes. I hope you excel, Eddi.
     
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    I like the one where they say Jesus is co-equal with the Father. Jesus said "My Father is greater than I". Houston we have a problem.
    I especially like the made up idea they call "Eternal Generation". That's a real hoot. Self contradictory, but a real hoot just the same.
     
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    Can I have your honest opinion?

    Does the follow passage suggest "Eternal Generation"?

    Act 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
    Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

    God filled the promise by raising Jesus from the dead and saying "This day have I begotten you".

    Eternal Generation or born from the dead?

    I suggest born from the dead as Jesus is specifically called "The firstborn from the dead" Col 1:16 ....thus "this day have I begotten you".

    Or maybe you prefer self contradictory terms.?
     
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    Hi 37818. Good afternoon. The doctrine of the trinity has been defined as follows: "The holy trinity is one supreme being, existing in three persons, all equal in rank and in eternity, having the same substance and yet being three separate persons, but united in one G-dhead." The better Bible encyclopedias admit that no Old Testament passage can be found that will justify the doctrine of the trinity.

    You quoted from Deuteronomy 6:4, but this does not prove the trinity. It says: "Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is one". The word G-d (singular) in this passage has been translated from the word Elohim (plural). They are two members of the heavenly spiritual family - the Father and the Son. They are Elohim (plural), yet they work together as one, in unity and purpose to accomplish their goals. The one Name, family Name, is Yahweh. See Ephesians 3:14-15.

    The only Scripture in the entire Authorized Version of the Bible that superficially appears to support the trinitarian doctrine is 1 John 5:7-8 which says: "7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one." (ASV). The last clause in the Greek text literally reads "And the three for the one are". The basic thought that emerges from a careful perusal of the Greek text reveals that the Spirit and the water and the blood unite in their witness to the plan of salvation.

    They were many triads (trinity's) worshipped in pagan mythology. In ancient Egyptian worship there were three trinitarian deity groups. The most prominent triad was Osiris, Isis and Horus.

    The Son Yahshua is always portrayed as subordinate to the Father Yahweh in the Bible. Yahweh is always seen as Head of all. 1 Corinthians 8:6 is one such indication. The Son Yahshua was the first creation of Yahweh as we read in Revelation 3:14.

    In terms of the Holy Spirit, in the Old Testament the word ruach cannot be construed as a person. It is a force. It is invisible. It is like wind, because it can be felt or experienced, but not seen. It is intelligence, mentality, life. It never portrays a person but rather Yahweh's personality dwelling in the hearts and lives of His True Worshipers. The Holy Spirit is given to them that obey His commandments (Acts 5:32).
     
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    1 John 3:23 names those two commandments.
    The word "one" in Deuteronomy 6:4 is the same word for Adam and Eve to be one flesh. And in one cluster of graoes, Numbers 13:23. Typically God is referred to in the plural. He is One, not many, not three. The Persons are three. There are nonTrinitarians who are Binitarians. In
    Genesis 19:24, the LORD acts like two persons, but is ony the one LORD, not two.

    The LORD God is omnipresent, as such invisible, Acts 17:28, "In Him we live and move and have our being . . . ." Yet the LORD God walked in the garden as a local temporal being, Genesis 3:8. He appeared to Abraham, Genesis 12:7, Genesis 17:1 and Genesis 18:1, Genesis 18:21-22. We are instructed that His Son as the LORD God so appeard, John 1:18, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

    I happen to hold a non-traditional Biblical Trinity interpretation, that God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are distinct Persons who are the One and the same LORD God.
     
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    Hi 37818. Good afternoon.
    The Holy Spirit is never referred to as a person.
     
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