Hitler wasn't a Christian

[Sonic247]

We are so intrested in those "big" men who killed all those people. Muhamed sent those men to attack Jerusalem for Islam. The Pope sent those men to attack it again for the Catholics. Stalin had thousands killed, typical humanistic behaviour etc. etc. But what about the most famous of all; Hitler. Christians want to push him on the Pagans or the Athiests Athiest and Pagans say we should be the ones claiming him. And I think that Christians are right on this one. It just seems absurd to me that someone who worships the "king of the Jews" would get confused and kill all the Jew (well try to). In fact when I read this website of quotes from Hitler I believe they are accurate but if someone has more information you know what to do.
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
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10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
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14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
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19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
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21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
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13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
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14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
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9th April, 1942, dinner:

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
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27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

Edit:
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
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[darkendless]

Stalin seems out of place with these "religious people." He killed for politics, religion had nothing to do with it.

It is strange is it not that the state arrpoved church of Nazi Germany was Christianity?

"Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938. "
"Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church, and the church never left him. Great literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mien Kampf never appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books."

The Religion of Hitler

Strange, very strange.

 

[ChristineES]

I have to agree. Even if he called himself a Christian, he certainly didn't act like one. Hitler definitely did NOT follow Jesus commands- particularly the one about loving your enemies, your brothers, your neighbors.

Oh, but I forgot, Christians are the root of all the evil in the world. :sarcasm:

 

[Sonic247]

Stalin seems out of place with these "religious people." He killed for politics, religion had nothing to do with it.

It is strange is it not that the state arrpoved church of Nazi Germany was Christianity?

"Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938. "
"Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church, and the church never left him. Great literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mien Kampf never appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books."

The Religion of Hitler

Strange, very strange.

Well I'm not going to say that's not what Stalin was doing, but I'm also not going to say that the Pope and Muhamed weren't doing the same thing. I bet if Stalin were a Christian he wouldn't seem out of place as quickly. And if these qoutes from Hitler are not fabricated then it shows that he actually hated Christianity.

 

[darkendless]

I have to agree. Even if he called himself a Christian, he certainly didn't act like one. Hitler definitely did NOT follow Jesus commands- particularly the one about loving your enemies, your brothers, your neighbors.

Oh, but I forgot, Christians are the root of all the evil in the world. :sarcasm:

Its not up to us to identify who is and is not an ideal representative of a particular religion.
Something i've noticed here a lot;
When a religious person does something good they're a brilliant example of the religion regardless of the religious nature of their achievement.
When that person does something bad, they're no longer considered part of that religion at all.

Hitler was a bad person, he may have been a good Catholic. He was nice to many people, except the minorities. Very few christians can claim to be indifferent, especially if you take a ride down to the homosexuality threads.

 

[Sonic247]

Actually you know what's interesting darkendless, Although both our articles support a different side of the issue they both quote the same book. My confidence that this book is accurate and objective is growing, even if different websites quoting it may not be.

 

[Sonic247]

Its not up to us to identify who is and is not an ideal representative of a particular religion.
Something i've noticed here a lot;
When a religious person does something good they're a brilliant example of the religion regardless of the religious nature of their achievement.
When that person does something bad, they're no longer considered part of that religion at all.

Hitler was a bad person, he may have been a good Catholic. He was nice to many people, except the minorities. Very few christians can claim to be indifferent, especially if you take a ride down to the homosexuality threads.

If these quotes are real then he wasn't a Christian at all though. And that's going by his own admission not just saying "he wasn't a true Christian."

 

[darkendless]

Well I'm not going to say that's not what Stalin was doing, but I'm also not going to say that the Pope and Muhamed weren't doing the same thing. I bet if Stalin were a Christian he wouldn't seem out of place as quickly. And if these qoutes from Hitler are not fabricated then it shows that he actually hated Christianity.

Constantine can be added to that list. He killed a lot of people and expanded Germanic borders in the name of Christianity. People tend to gloss over the fact he slaughtered thousands who refused to convert to Christianity mainly due to the fact that he himself was not a Christian.

Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia is somewhat neutral, but Hitler was a member of the RC church. Google Hitler's religion, the first 6 articles all say he was RC.

 

[ChristineES]

Its not up to us to identify who is and is not an ideal representative of a particular religion.
Something i've noticed here a lot;
When a religious person does something good they're a brilliant example of the religion regardless of the religious nature of their achievement.
When that person does something bad, they're no longer considered part of that religion at all.

Hitler was a bad person, he may have been a good Catholic. He was nice to many people, except the minorities. Very few christians can claim to be indifferent, especially if you take a ride down to the homosexuality threads.

I know what you are saying. But you will also notice I did not say that Hitler was not a Christian, he just didn't really act like according to Jesus' commands.

 

[darkendless]

I know what you are saying. But you will also notice I did not say that Hitler was not a Christian, he just didn't really act like according to Jesus' commands.

True, a misunderstanding on my part.

To be honest though, is it possible to live (honestly) as a perfect Christian? These days, we all, no matter what name we call God, do things that would anger him according to the "divine books."

 

[ChristineES]

True, a misunderstanding on my part.

To be honest though, is it possible to live (honestly) as a perfect Christian? These days, we all, no matter what name we call God, do things that would anger him according to the "divine books."

No, no one can truly be a perfect anything. But it seems to me that Christians can at least try to follow Jesus commands, even if they fail at it. He never seemed to try, judging by his actions.

 

[Sonic247]

Of course, but it's not just these days it's always been that way. I'm sure you've heard "saved by grace"/"salvation is a free gift", There is one thing a Christian trust in: Jesus died for our sins. We just do all that moral stuff out of gratitude, or rather we should do all that moral stuff out of gratitude. What I mean to say is Hitler wasn't a Christian but he was a second rate artist, and art is is like tart without the first t.

 

[ChristineES]

Another thought- Jesus said that we would know men (and women) by their fruits. Hitler's fruits seemed to be the want to exterminate an entire group of people, to take over the world, and other things. I also heard on a TV special some private things that were told about him- I am not sure of the accuracy of these things. Sure, he was probably friendly to his friends, and so was Ted Bundy.

 

[Sonic247]

I found another article that seems to look at both, or rather all the sides of the issue since there are more than two. (Although really what I'm wondering is how many quotes in the OP are reliable because they definately would show his true nature) A good thesis of this article is-

It seems Hitler, like many modern-day politicians, spoke out of both sides of his mouth. And when he didn't, his lackeys did. It may have been political pandering, just like many of our current politicians who invoke God's name to gain support.
Also, it seems probable that Hitler, being the great manipulator, knew that he couldn't fight the Christian churches and their members right off the bat. So he made statements to put the church at ease and may have patronized religion as a way to prevent having to fight the Christian-based church.

I think the qoutes Athiest use and the quotes Christians use from Hitler are both accurate. My hypothesis is that most things he says "in favor" of Christianity would be to specific audiences and those opposed would be to people a little closer.

 

[Sonic247]

This is the article, definately worth reading- The Straight Dope: Was Hitler a Christian?

 

[Rakhel]

ALL RIGHT!!! YES!!!! One of the few forums that doesn't shove Hitler off on the Jews!! Whoo-hoo!!!!

 

[Sonic247]

The sarcasm meter is at ten.

 

[Rakhel]

I wasn't being sarcastic. I am actually thrilled! Do you know how many times I have heard that he was Jewish based on the idea that his grandfather might have been Jewish?

 

[Smoke]

People tend to gloss over the fact he slaughtered thousands who refused to convert to Christianity

What thousands?

 

[rageoftyrael]

eh, who gives a crap? Why is it even significant what religion or lack of religion he followed? If he was athiest, that means nothing to me. Only fools would look down on me for being athiest just because one horrible man was an athiest. I try not to blame religions for specific people. It's dishonest to do so, and simply an attempt to make something look bad, with no real intelligence behind said argument.

Hilariously, even when people say that specific religions are creators of specific prejudices, that isn't even completely true, because there will always be people who don't agree with that part of the religion. Not only that, but you can only blame a religion for certain traits if they are the ONLY ones who have those specific traits. If christians were the ONLY ones who hated gays, then we could blame christianity for homophobia, but they aren't, so we really can't blame them for that.