Hitler speech

[Twilight Hue]

I find the man to be unhealthy and unhappy. Anger and hatred causes much suffering especially to those who are filled with it. He probably didn't experience much joy.

What are your thoughts about Hitler? Do you think such a person will rise to power in Europe again?

His speeches are interesting and he was the epitome of a cult figure. Its kinda crazy watching the control he had over the minds and hearts of his people.

The crowds cheered for him like he was a messiah. He definitely was an unusual figure in History. He destroyed much of the continent and brought about much grief and agony, so im not even remotely saying he was a good leader, or good for anything, but sometimes monsters are interesting.

Do you think history will repeat itself?

Hitler was mesmerizing hence the term the Fatal Attraction of Adolf Hitler.

For many Germans at that time in history, he must have looked like a savior.

When you mix those qualities with crisis and unbridled ambition. It's a recipe that many dictatorial aspiriants capitalize on.

It seems more often than not, a desperate populist would embrace the devil to garner some relief out of sheer misery.

But like the devil, it typically starts out well , and ends up horribly.

I think new generations who have no experience of what a prior generation went through, are bound to repeat history. Over and over again.

 

[metis]

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No way. Hitler certainly sincerely believed in the racial ideology he wrote about in Mein Kampf. It is a huge mistake to imagine he didn’t. Because Hitler’s form of racism is so vile some people can’t accept that anyone could actually think that way. But he did. And Hitler exploited that incredulity. Many of them remained in denial Hitler could really be that evil right up until they went into the gas chambers.

I wish you would actually read what I wrote as it is because I did not say that Hitler wasn't a "racist", as he clearly was, but that the NAZI's main emphasis was on a nationalistic power grab in a form of what we call "nativism". And if you actually had read "Mein Kampf", which I have strong doubts you ever did, you would well know that as it's mostly about those elements he believed betrayed the "Fatherland", so his racism also had another purpose and they used it well.

Why do you all too frequently misrepresent what I post? Do you get your jollies creating a strawman and then skewing your own creation? Maybe get over yourself and actually read what someone writes, ok.

 

[Jumi]

To this day many Christians accuse many other Christians of following the opposite of Jesus' teachings.

And sadly many of them are right.

 

[ChristineM]

Hitler had to control a population with a lot of Christians. He had to have the support of Christians. That doesn't mean he followed the footsteps of Christ and lived like a Christian. Jesus preached the opposite.

Pope Pius the 12 to did a lot to save Jews from Hitler.

Hitler was crazy but the vatican considered him christian. It is not up to historians with an agenda and bar room know it alls to dictate to the vatican.

Like sending a vatican ambassador to advise?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Hitler had to control a population with a lot of Christians. He had to have the support of Christians. That doesn't mean he followed the footsteps of Christ and lived like a Christian. Jesus preached the opposite.

Pope Pius the 12 to did a lot to save Jews from Hitler.

Here's the thing though: Christianity is an orthodox religion - it matters more what you believe than what you do. I can be the most bloodthirsty, rapacious scumbag of a person who has personally ended millions of people; but if I believed I was saved by Jesus' sacrifice then I'm as much a Christian as Bob the monk in his monastery.

 

[Stevicus]

Debate away. There are examples of nations that used race as their basis, such as NAZI Germany and there are examples of nations that are neutral about race, such as the United States.

You think the U.S. has been neutral about race?

 

[Stevicus]

False, though some people try to make them fit hand in hand.

Why do you think it's false?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I find the man to be unhealthy and unhappy. Anger and hatred causes much suffering especially to those who are filled with it. He probably didn't experience much joy.

What are your thoughts about Hitler? Do you think such a person will rise to power in Europe again?

His speeches are interesting and he was the epitome of a cult figure. Its kinda crazy watching the control he had over the minds and hearts of his people.

The crowds cheered for him like he was a messiah. He definitely was an unusual figure in History. He destroyed much of the continent and brought about much grief and agony, so im not even remotely saying he was a good leader, or good for anything, but sometimes monsters are interesting.

Do you think history will repeat itself?

I think this could happen again and very easily. We--as a people and a species--have a very short memory. We can convince ourselves of anything, especially if some of it rings true to us.

As to the man, he was able to take a war-torn nation with a broken economy to the brink of becoming the most powerful nation on earth. It was a near accomplishment that is overshadowed by the fact that he did it by creating the most reviled and violent regime he could assemble and carrying out the most atrocious acts imaginable.

 

[Jumi]

Why do you think it's false?

Because it's not a rule and I know exceptions to it. Racists without nationalism and internationalists with racism.

 

[Stevicus]

Because it's not a rule and I know exceptions to it. Racists without nationalism and internationalists with racism.

Well, as I said, the difference comes in that "race" and "nationality" are different concepts. But the salient point in the context of this thread is that both are the same in that they perceive and target "the other." That is, anyone who is "not our people" or "not one of us."

Sure, there are racists who might call themselves "white nationalists," implying that there's such a thing as a "white nation," but that's a contrived perception which has nothing to do with reality.

 

[Shaul]

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I wish you would actually read what I wrote as it is because I did not say that Hitler wasn't a "racist", as he clearly was, but that the NAZI's main emphasis was on a nationalistic power grab in a form of what we call "nativism". And if you actually had read "Mein Kampf", which I have strong doubts you ever did, you would well know that as it's mostly about those elements he believed betrayed the "Fatherland", so his racism also had another purpose and they used it well.

Why do you all too frequently misrepresent what I post? Do you get your jollies creating a strawman and then skewing your own creation? Maybe get over yourself and actually read what someone writes, ok.

Speaking of misrepresenting what someone wrote, I never said you didn’t say Hitler was a racist. What you said was that he was first a Nationalist and secondly a racist. I pointed out, correctly that you had that inverted. Hitler was a racist first and a nationalist second.

 

[Shaul]

You think the U.S. has been neutral about race?

Yes. Beyond that I think it is one of the least racist of countries. I’m confident you doubt that. But you are wrong if you do.

 

[Stevicus]

Yes. Beyond that I think it is one of the least racist of countries. I’m confident you doubt that. But you are wrong if you do.

I was merely wondering what your basis was for saying that.

 

[Shaul]

You clearly either haven't really studied the Holocaust in any depth, or you haven't really been focusing in on Trump's tactics, or both. There are differences, yes, but also a lot of similarities in their tactics of "divide & conquer". We see his playing the race card quite often, and in "The Art of the Deal" he said that his father taught him that their ancestry is from "warriors and kings", and Trump definitely acts the part. Maybe check out Der Sturmer, and if you can't see the similarities, then it's only because you really don't want to look.

I don’t concede that Trump uses the same tactics of divide and conquer as did Hitler. Trump wants a unified America based on its foundation principles. It is many of his opponents that want to divide and Balkanize the country with identity politics.

Yes, I am familiar with Der Stürmer. Yes, I have read Mein Kampf. The only thing clear is that whatever studies you claim to have done have failed you if you don’t even get that race was Hitler’s prime motivation.

 

[Shaul]

I was merely wondering what your basis was for saying that.

The United States is a nation based on principles. One central principle is the equality of all people whatever their race. This principle is incorporated in its institutions and law. As a society the vast majority of Americans find racism abhorrent. I base it on those.

 

[Stevicus]

race was Hitler’s prime motivation.

The main problem with this statement is the vast majority of Hitler's victims were white.

 

[metis]

Hitler was a racist first and a nationalist second.

Not according to the emphasis in both Mein Kampf and in Der Sturmer as they attacked also wealthy Germans who wanted to end "the Great War" for monetary purposes, whereas Hitler felt they could have won it if they had just stuck it out. These wealthy they attacked were not Jewish because very few Jews in Germany achieved any substantial wealth

Trump wants a unified America based on its foundation principles.

Absolutely false and on multiple counts. First of all, the founding fathers put emphasis on state's rights, which is certainly not Trump's approach, nor has it ever been. Secondly, the idea of Trump running up the deficit would be totally alien to them as that was not possible back then. Thirdly our founding fathers certainly didn't try and alienate our allies that we so badly needed. Etc. Nice imagination though.

The only thing clear is that whatever studies you claim to have done have failed you if you don’t even get that race was Hitler’s prime motivation.

Oh, so I only "claim" them. LOL!

As as the latter is concerned, you simply do not know what you're talking about in regards to that with one exception, namely that when his Third Reich dream was pretty much dashed, he began to emphasize his anti-Semitic rant more as his legacy, and that he thought all other nations should do what he did with the "Final Solution". His final public rant covered that.

 

[metis]

Yes, I have read Mein Kampf. The only thing clear is that whatever studies you claim to have done have failed you if you don’t even get that race was Hitler’s prime motivation.

I have to return back to this in order to show just how wrong you are. Here are the chapter headings found in Mein Kampf, and one can see for themselves where the emphasis tends to be:

• Volume One: A Reckoning
  • Chapter 1: In the House of My Parents
  • Chapter 2: Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna
  • Chapter 3: General Political Considerations Based on My Vienna Period
  • Chapter 4: Munich
  • Chapter 5: The World War
  • Chapter 6: War Propaganda
  • Chapter 7: The Revolution
  • Chapter 8: The Beginning of My Political Activity
  • Chapter 9: The "German Workers' Party"
  • Chapter 10: Causes of the Collapse
  • Chapter 11: Nation and Race
  • Chapter 12: The First Period of Development of the National Socialist German Workers' Party
• Volume Two: The National Socialist Movement
  • Chapter 1: Philosophy and Party
  • Chapter 2: The State
  • Chapter 3: Subjects and Citizens
  • Chapter 4: Personality and the Conception of the Völkisch State
  • Chapter 5: Philosophy and Organization
  • Chapter 6: The Struggle of the Early Period – the Significance of the Spoken Word
  • Chapter 7: The Struggle with the Red Front
  • Chapter 8: The Strong Man Is Mightiest Alone
  • Chapter 9: Basic Ideas Regarding the Meaning and Organization of the Sturmabteilung
  • Chapter 10: Federalism as a Mask
  • Chapter 11: Propaganda and Organization
  • Chapter 12: The Trade-Union Question
  • Chapter 13: German Alliance Policy After the War
  • Chapter 14: Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy
  • Chapter 15: The Right of Emergency Defense
• Conclusion
• Index

Notice that the issue of "race" issue covers only one chapter (underlined) out of 27 even though it is periodically mentioned in some other chapters. Clearly, it's overwhelming emphasis was political, not racial.