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Featured His Eminence, The Pope.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JayToka, May 1, 2018.

  1. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I've already dealt with that in a previous post.

    Actually PF doesn't wear those shoes, plus there's really no way of assessing the value of a pair that most popes have worn on special occasions since they are man-made by a local man in Rome.

    None taken, but please be more specific on what your complaints instead of making blanket condemnations. Trust me, I can and have complained a lot about certain things Catholic, which is one reason why I no longer am.

    Take care.
     
  2. JayToka

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    I really do not know if any religion has borne any fruit, none that I can see anyways. And, yes, gold in temples was a thing, when mankind was tribal and a bit primitive. I'm sure gold could be put to better uses now, instead of adorning priests and tables.
     
  3. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    And exactly where have I supposedly done as such, plus read my last post above. And yes, I'm well aware of PJPII and Reagan's plot to finance Solidarity, but I'd appreciate any supposed link to them using "mafia money".
     
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    I just find it bizarre that humans have allowed themselves to be told what to believe. And to believe in the words of a book, written by unknown author/s, over an unknown time period must be the very definition of insanity.
     
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    Trackdayguy Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall

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    I agree
     
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    A very good read for getting a feel for what the Pope does. Pope John Paul II The Biography by Tad Szulc
     
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    Trackdayguy Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall

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    I think it's anachronistic in the same sense monarchy is. Personally, I'd get rid of both, but that view is not particularly common.
    As a spokesperson and figurehead they still appear to hold cache.

    One thing rarely mentioned around the ascendecy of the Pope (at least here) is the Donation of Constantine.

    Interested if any have a take on the impact of that.
     
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    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    There is something else you need to be the pope............
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    Yeah, like sitting in bank vaults.
     
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    Trackdayguy Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall

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    Don't be fooled religion is about control and the No 1 weapon that is used by ALL the major religious systems is guilt, fear and shame. For me this isn't about the Catholic Church this is the whole lot, catholic & Protestant both systems have a very checkered past.

    If the catholic church for example liquidated its property assets across the world and distributed the wealth to all people it would make millionaires of every person on the planet. So as you can probably gather Im not a big fan of listening to people who are defending a system that's rotten to the core.
     
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    Leader of the largest Christian denomination and the second largest religious group overall.
     
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    That is a stupid definition of insanity.

    Nothing you've thought of is rarely your own.

    Do some people follow mindlessly? Yes of course, but you don't have to be catholic or even religious to do this. No one is immune from this.

    You see, what you are failing to grasp is that people are naturally dogmatic........whether it's their own creation or someone else's.

    Believing something that is not your own shouldn't even be a point of contention or debate really. Either an argument holds weight or it doesn't.

    Your issue may be more with authority, which is another objection entirely.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Who wrote the math book you studied in the ninth grade?
     
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    Age old objection really. Nonetheless in vogue for sure.

    Say I concede your point. That the entire leadership of the RC is rotten to the core. When people defend the RC, what exactly do you think they are defending? The rottenness?
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I don't scoff at religions as I do tend to think that most of them at least attempt to understand how we got here and what's moral for us to do. And with your post above, why are you here at Religious Forums if you feel as you do?

    As for my approach, maybe read the bottom of my posts to see where I'm coming from, which is not very far at all from what you believe but, instead, I prefer to cloak my approach with plenty of "I don't know" versus judgmentalism based on the delusion of thinking that we do know what "the answers" are.

    To put it another way, I'm a scientist, not really a theist, but I don't go around referring to theists as being "insane" because I simply know that I don't have "the final answer".
     
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    Some in the church, any church, occasionally don't do the right things, and this also includes the apostles if you'd bother to go back and actually read the gospels. And sometimes it also may be a matter of differences of differing opinions as to what should or should not be done.

    Should I judge you entirely on the basis of somethings you might have done wrong? Ever hear of "Hate the sin, not the sinner"? All I see from you is hate-filled and highly-bigoted rhetoric while you strut around saying that you're "Embracing the teachings of Christ". Acting and posting in a highly bigoted and judgemental manner is not doing that.

    BTW, why have you refused to answer which denomination you are involved with? Maybe by admitting as such we can get a better idea of whom may have poisoned your mind on the RCC, which also happened to me many years ago that I'll cover in a follow-up post.
     
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    - he's head of the College of Bishops.
    - he's the bishop of the Archdiocese of Rome (and has all the duties of a diocesian bishop in thay regard)
    - he's a priest (and has all the duties of a priest in general in that regard).

    Officially, I think that may be it.
     
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    I was brought up in a fundamentalist Protestant church that taught the kind of hatred-filled rhetoric and bigotry that I have seen here with some people. I was taught that the pope was the anti-Christ; that Catholics were basically ignorant people who could only blindly follow what the pope and the church taught; that they made up all sorts of teachings that are not found in the Bible; etc. I remember being told to read an anti-Catholic book recommended by the pastor, which I did while still in high school.

    And my parents chimed in on this as well, with my own father telling me that if he ever heard that I even visited a Catholic church that he'd kick my "a**". I was also taught that Jews were ignorant since they didn't believe that Jesus was "the messiah", and also that they were corrupt and money-hungry.

    Now, imagine my parents' reaction when I decided to marry a very devout Italian Catholic woman-- the same very devout Catholic woman that I have been married to for 51 years now. I heard through my sister that they thought I was so stupid to marry her, and my own father pretty much avoided us when visiting them, sometimes even finding an excuse to leave to work in the garage or whatever. My mother, otoh, was much more reserved.

    But something changed all that. Within months, they fell in love with my wife as well since she is so compassionate and loving, plus she doesn't go around bad-mouthing people. When our kids went through their baptism and confirmation services, they came and saw that it's actually a church we go to, not some sort of hell-hole.

    Not only did their anti-Catholic bigotry come to an end, so did their anti-Jewish bigotry. When I started going to synagogue and mosque and Hindu services, they didn't object one bit. Matter of fact, not too long before my mother passed away from cancer 25 years ago, she said to me "You sure do get around", and that was said in a complimentary manner that she never would have said a few decades earlier.

    Now, maybe some here can understand why my emotions get ramped up when I see any denomination or religion being attacked, and some here at RF who have been around here for several years know that I have responded to attacks on other religions and on many occasions.

    In closing, my "theology" is so very liberal that I can walk into any religious service and pretty much feel at home-- with one exception. That exception are those religious institutions that take the "my way or the highway" approach. Yes, they have the full right to having that opinion, including teaching it as such, but I also have the full right of having the opinion of feeling that this is not for me, thus preferring not to to their services if I can avoid them.

    shalom
     
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  20. Trackdayguy

    Trackdayguy Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall

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    Wow. Actually I left institutional religion 25 years ago. I read a book called "Babylon" My conclusion then and still is today is the Institutional church system has little to do with the teaching of Christ. I therefore have no time for a system I see as corrupt and subjected millions to fear, shame and guilt, why would I want anything to do with it.

    You however are obviously finding some value in, good for you and of course are free to defend it which is clearly what all your posts portray.
    Good luck
     
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