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Hindu Russian Salad

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by inca, May 5, 2004.

  1. inca

    inca Active Member

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    In India the re-encarnation is a doom or curse sort of thing that Buda tried to escape. Now in Western civilization we imported a twisted idea that is a blessing or chance in the path of amnesy that even remembering won't garantee a change of behavior for good.
     
  2. inca

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    Brahma had a relation with his sister-wife like Abraham with Sara and some people have asked if Abraham himself is not just an inverted homophonous of someone who was converted into a god just like Buda who -in spite of no mentioning the issue "god"- was converted not only into God but part of a trinity Trikaya! Brahma, the Creator, is good to remember, has only 1 temple in whole India meaning how far that country fell down into worshipping animal creatures and letting rats crawl their heads, kissing snakes and so on, a country with 330 million gods and demons! :clap: Brahma is also depicted with the symbol of the lamb like Abraham when offering his son Isaac had to replace the sacrifice with the lamb as order by the angel.
    Vishnu is a name with digamma V plus ISH-NU meaning exactly like Hebrew character Noah, "man of rest". And you know what? One of the representations was a fish surviving the Deluge! One of the avatars of this Vishnu was Krishna. Of course, the beautiful designs in Hare Krishna's books won't tell you in India that god was someone black. Somewhere hidden in the middle of their books you'll read another of his name was Syama meaning exactly "black". Therefore, some researchers think if this may not disguise a historical event of a black man who was Noah's descent. Perhaps Nimrod, Cush's son (Cush in fact means "black") and he was Noah's greatgrandson.
    Krishna lived in the time of some giant warriors but he was a warrior who killed people with his bow and arrows (Nimrod also was the hunter using the same weapon) while many people wonder about the "similarities" between him and Christ who lived thousands of years later on somewhere else. Don't search to much history in the midst of the Hindu myths with their numerous entities.
     
  3. inca

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    India had the influence of Hurrites or Arrians, people from Mesopotamia. Abraham was from Ur, he wasn't a Jewish guy (Genesis 11:27-32). So we can follow the trail of imported civilization.
    Studying the Jewish myths about Abraham, Nimrod and the appearence of a star could enlight our understanding of several details about Krishna. Even in the Hare Krishna's books, the blue fellow man has the palms of his hands and feet with a pale color...like black man he was as represented in India.
    The worshipping of hybrid creatures half animal half human beings as in Sumeria, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Peru, Mexico, Bolivia, Guatemala, China...in fact all over the world is the worshipping of the cherubs as written also in the Bible and seen by people who are not necessarily squizophrenic in the same places chosen by the "gods" to make sacrificies with the blood of teenagers and virgins, the megalithic sacred places:
    www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magazine/articles/marcahuasi/marcahuasi.html
    www.cyberspaceorbit.com/kerub.htm
    There are no devices to check these as we can't even duplicate the oniric experience of dreaming in a lab with a help of a machine...not yet. However as you can read experiences with quartz (and other stuff) have already been done with terrible consequences. That's another theme, of course.
     
  4. inca

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    In India the worshipping of specific animals are priority like if it was a case of Power Rangers becoming Transformers. The bull or cow, the felines, the birds, reptiles... pretty much like sphinx, winged bulls, eagles with human heads and Biblical cherubs. Who knows they are sending Hertz frequences to the brain of specialist in genetic to mingle DNA transgenic animal seed with human beings like it was done by the gods in the past (in universal legends hidding a truth different from an isolated myth).
    www.sitchin.com/primate.htm
    www.sitchin.com/genetics.htm
    www.sitchin.com/adam.htm
    www.sitchin.com/images/adam1.jpg
    www.sitchin.com
     
  5. Green Gaia

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    Moving this to General Discussion... :roll:
     
  6. dudley thoth

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    I've always wondered if there was a connection between Brahma and Abram/Abraham. I've never found one though.

    P.S I know I'm being picky but wasn't it a ram and not a lamb.

    God Bless
     
  7. painted wolf

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    in regards to the 'olmec' theory....

    1>Quetzalcoatl is not a 'winged' serpent but a feathered serpent... no wings have ever been included in a depiction of him... and as the most prolific of the meso-american deities he has lots of depictions...

    2> the oldest city in the americas is for now anyway in peru...built by the Caral people in the atacama desert near the ocean... at about 5000 years old... from an artical in Smistisonian 2002... http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/articles/02/0814129.html

    3> evidence for human habitation of the americas goes eaven further back with the site known as Monte Verde...

    4> evidence for the oldest inhabited human site in the americas is in chilie... Monte Verde... while the dates have been disputed...if true it puts people at the tip of south america by 12,500... new digs at the site hope to clear this up soon.

    5> While I wont go into the religous significance of Thunderbird to my people if he had a scientific basis my guess would be that it was in Argentavis magnificens... A truely massive prehistoric bird (wingspan of 25 ft.) that could still have been around when people arrived in the americas... perhaps longer...

    anyway just my 2cents on the above mentioned site and the Americas....

    wa:-do
     
  8. anders

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    Inca,
    You make a lot of unique suggestions.
    “Brahma had a relation with his sister-wife”. That’s a new one to me. His first wife was produced from his own body.
    “Brahma is also depicted with the symbol of the lamb”. That’s one I have never seen, and I have seen quite a few pictures of Brahma. He is normally accompanied by a wild goose, and that is the one and only animal mentioned in the large “Iconographic dictionary of the Indian religions.” I find it absurd to connect the God Brahma with the man Abraham.
    I would be very interested to see your references for your statements on Brahma.
    “Vishnu is a name with digamma V plus ISH-NU meaning exactly like Hebrew character Noah, "man of rest".” Vishnu means the “pervader”, possibly the “worker”. Quite the opposite of “rest”. And there is, very naturally, nothing even remotely resembling a Greek digamma in his Indian name.
    “India had the influence of Hurrites or Arrians, people from Mesopotamia.” Very improbable. The Hurrites were centered in northeastern Syria, and did not move very far eastwards, if at all. I don’t understand what is meant by “Arrians”. I know of no such people in Mesopotamia (or anywhere else, for that matter).
    “Abraham was from Ur, he wasn't a Jewish guy”. We can’t speak of Jews in any sense, religious or ethnical, until after Abraham.
    “and some people have asked if Abraham himself is not just an inverted homophonous of someone who was converted into a god just like Buda who -in spite of no mentioning the issue "god"- was converted not only into God but part of a trinity Trikaya!” Trikaya means that the Buddha has three bodies. And so it is the opposite of the Christian trinity with three persons in one. I just don’t understand the first part of this quote.

    dudley thoth,
    It is indeed a ram in Gen. 22:13 (KJV), as it is in the Hebrew text.
     
  9. jonjohnrob11

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    inca only u can change ure behavior and us ours. self control and good morals are the key.virtue is the best policy.
     
  10. jonjohnrob11

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    sarah was not abrahams relative
     
  11. Engyo

    Engyo Prince of Dorkness!

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    Inca -

    As Anders mentioned, I am not sure you have a clear understanding of the Trikaya.

    Respectfully, I also don't believe the idea of reincarnation or rebirth you posit here is accurate; it is certainly not from the Buddhist perspective, anyway. I am not well-versed in the Hindu version of this. Buddha was not "trying to escape rebirth"; he was seeking the underlying causes of suffering in order to find how to eradicate it.

    Can you please explain this statement more clearly? I can't understand what you mean here.
     
  12. inca

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    In India the re-encarnation is a doom or curse sort of thing that Buda tried to escape. Now in Western civilization we imported a twisted idea that is a blessing or chance in the path of amnesy that even remembering won't garantee a change of behavior for good.
     
  13. inca

    inca Active Member

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    Brahma had a relation with his sister-wife like Abraham with Sara and some people have asked if Abraham himself is not just an inverted homophonous of someone who was converted into a god just like Buda who -in spite of no mentioning the issue "god"- was converted not only into God but part of a trinity Trikaya! Brahma, the Creator, is good to remember, has only 1 temple in whole India meaning how far that country fell down into worshipping animal creatures and letting rats crawl their heads, kissing snakes and so on, a country with 330 million gods and demons! :clap: Brahma is also depicted with the symbol of the lamb like Abraham when offering his son Isaac had to replace the sacrifice with the lamb as order by the angel.
    Vishnu is a name with digamma V plus ISH-NU meaning exactly like Hebrew character Noah, "man of rest". And you know what? One of the representations was a fish surviving the Deluge! One of the avatars of this Vishnu was Krishna. Of course, the beautiful designs in Hare Krishna's books won't tell you in India that god was someone black. Somewhere hidden in the middle of their books you'll read another of his name was Syama meaning exactly "black". Therefore, some researchers think if this may not disguise a historical event of a black man who was Noah's descent. Perhaps Nimrod, Cush's son (Cush in fact means "black") and he was Noah's greatgrandson.
    Krishna lived in the time of some giant warriors but he was a warrior who killed people with his bow and arrows (Nimrod also was the hunter using the same weapon) while many people wonder about the "similarities" between him and Christ who lived thousands of years later on somewhere else. Don't search to much history in the midst of the Hindu myths with their numerous entities.
     
  14. inca

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    India had the influence of Hurrites or Arrians, people from Mesopotamia. Abraham was from Ur, he wasn't a Jewish guy (Genesis 11:27-32). So we can follow the trail of imported civilization.
    Studying the Jewish myths about Abraham, Nimrod and the appearence of a star could enlight our understanding of several details about Krishna. Even in the Hare Krishna's books, the blue fellow man has the palms of his hands and feet with a pale color...like black man he was as represented in India.
    The worshipping of hybrid creatures half animal half human beings as in Sumeria, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Peru, Mexico, Bolivia, Guatemala, China...in fact all over the world is the worshipping of the cherubs as written also in the Bible and seen by people who are not necessarily squizophrenic in the same places chosen by the "gods" to make sacrificies with the blood of teenagers and virgins, the megalithic sacred places:
    www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magazine/articles/marcahuasi/marcahuasi.html
    www.cyberspaceorbit.com/kerub.htm
    There are no devices to check these as we can't even duplicate the oniric experience of dreaming in a lab with a help of a machine...not yet. However as you can read experiences with quartz (and other stuff) have already been done with terrible consequences. That's another theme, of course.
     
  15. inca

    inca Active Member

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    In India the worshipping of specific animals are priority like if it was a case of Power Rangers becoming Transformers. The bull or cow, the felines, the birds, reptiles... pretty much like sphinx, winged bulls, eagles with human heads and Biblical cherubs. Who knows they are sending Hertz frequences to the brain of specialist in genetic to mingle DNA transgenic animal seed with human beings like it was done by the gods in the past (in universal legends hidding a truth different from an isolated myth).
    www.sitchin.com/primate.htm
    www.sitchin.com/genetics.htm
    www.sitchin.com/adam.htm
    www.sitchin.com/images/adam1.jpg
    www.sitchin.com
     
  16. Green Gaia

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    Moving this to General Discussion... :roll:
     
  17. dudley thoth

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    I've always wondered if there was a connection between Brahma and Abram/Abraham. I've never found one though.

    P.S I know I'm being picky but wasn't it a ram and not a lamb.

    God Bless
     
  18. painted wolf

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    in regards to the 'olmec' theory....

    1>Quetzalcoatl is not a 'winged' serpent but a feathered serpent... no wings have ever been included in a depiction of him... and as the most prolific of the meso-american deities he has lots of depictions...

    2> the oldest city in the americas is for now anyway in peru...built by the Caral people in the atacama desert near the ocean... at about 5000 years old... from an artical in Smistisonian 2002... http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/articles/02/0814129.html

    3> evidence for human habitation of the americas goes eaven further back with the site known as Monte Verde...

    4> evidence for the oldest inhabited human site in the americas is in chilie... Monte Verde... while the dates have been disputed...if true it puts people at the tip of south america by 12,500... new digs at the site hope to clear this up soon.

    5> While I wont go into the religous significance of Thunderbird to my people if he had a scientific basis my guess would be that it was in Argentavis magnificens... A truely massive prehistoric bird (wingspan of 25 ft.) that could still have been around when people arrived in the americas... perhaps longer...

    anyway just my 2cents on the above mentioned site and the Americas....

    wa:-do
     
  19. anders

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    Inca,
    You make a lot of unique suggestions.
    “Brahma had a relation with his sister-wife”. That’s a new one to me. His first wife was produced from his own body.
    “Brahma is also depicted with the symbol of the lamb”. That’s one I have never seen, and I have seen quite a few pictures of Brahma. He is normally accompanied by a wild goose, and that is the one and only animal mentioned in the large “Iconographic dictionary of the Indian religions.” I find it absurd to connect the God Brahma with the man Abraham.
    I would be very interested to see your references for your statements on Brahma.
    “Vishnu is a name with digamma V plus ISH-NU meaning exactly like Hebrew character Noah, "man of rest".” Vishnu means the “pervader”, possibly the “worker”. Quite the opposite of “rest”. And there is, very naturally, nothing even remotely resembling a Greek digamma in his Indian name.
    “India had the influence of Hurrites or Arrians, people from Mesopotamia.” Very improbable. The Hurrites were centered in northeastern Syria, and did not move very far eastwards, if at all. I don’t understand what is meant by “Arrians”. I know of no such people in Mesopotamia (or anywhere else, for that matter).
    “Abraham was from Ur, he wasn't a Jewish guy”. We can’t speak of Jews in any sense, religious or ethnical, until after Abraham.
    “and some people have asked if Abraham himself is not just an inverted homophonous of someone who was converted into a god just like Buda who -in spite of no mentioning the issue "god"- was converted not only into God but part of a trinity Trikaya!” Trikaya means that the Buddha has three bodies. And so it is the opposite of the Christian trinity with three persons in one. I just don’t understand the first part of this quote.

    dudley thoth,
    It is indeed a ram in Gen. 22:13 (KJV), as it is in the Hebrew text.
     
  20. jonjohnrob11

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    inca only u can change ure behavior and us ours. self control and good morals are the key.virtue is the best policy.
     
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