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Hindu Mythology

Discussion in 'Asian Mythology' started by Israel Khan, Jan 21, 2021.

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    I remember that my Master told us "You try to know all the personages, how old they were, who married with whom. But you forget the inner deeper meaning". For example: Father stands for Righteousness, Mother stands for Love, Daughter for Compassion, Son for Wisdom, etc.

    How I use Scriptures: I don't believe I can find Truth in Scripture, but Scripture can guide me to get the Truth that is already in me revealed
     
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    What @Vinayaka said about his sect largely applies to mine also, Vaishnavism, (devotees of Vishnu and/or one or more of His avatars. However, Vaishnavism is overwhelmingly anthropomorphic. We rely a great deal on tangible and visible forms of God, per Bhagavad Gita 12.5 in which Krishna says it's often hard to focus on an unmanifested form of God. As sensory beings we need to see, hear, touch. Therefore He sanctions the use of physical forms., e.g. statues, idols (murti is the proper word), pictures.
     
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    I also see that the heart and mind should be a union. Otherwise people are dry intellectuals or overly credulous emotionally driven.
     
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    Agreed. I think that true creativity is the balance between intellect and emotion.
     
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    Ok. I think I get it.

    What would be a worshippers reason for participating in symbolic worship? What do they get out of it?

    I imagine that they wouldn't be seeking blessings from a symbol?

    That last sentence is interesting, coming from a Christian background. We were told that only we have a personal relationship with a god.
     
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    That is interesting. Is it true that the intent is also for each individual to interpret the meaning on their own, so that two people are allowed to come to different conclusions?
     
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    Luckily, I think that the book I am reading just relays the myths and how Hinduism treats them. She isn't going beyond that. So I haven't detected any condescension yet. But for all I know her relaying of Hindu thought is a condescension so...
     
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    I'm actually not sure, as I've never been there. But since millions of people do it, there must be something to it. Perhaps the tradition makes them feel happier.
     
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    This is what I was told about "how/why participate in symbolic worship":

    The (first six of the nine) steps in the pilgrimage of man towards God along the path of dedication and surrender are:
    (1) Developing a desire to listen to the glory and grandeur of the handiwork of God and of the various awe-inspiring manifestations of Divinity. It is by hearing about the Lord again and again, that we can transform ourselves into Divinity.
    (2) Singing to oneself about the Lord, in praise of His magnificence and manifold exploits.
    (3) Dwelling on the Lord in the mind, revelling in the contemplation of His beauty, majesty and compassion.
    (4) Entering upon the worship of the Lord, by concentrating on honouring the feet or foot-prints.
    (5) This develops into a total propitiation of the Lord, and systematic ritualistic worship, in which the aspirant gets inner satisfaction and inspiration
    (6) The aspirant begins to see the favourite Form of God, which one likes to worship, in all beings and all objects, wherever one turns, and hence develops an attitude of Vandana (reverence) towards nature and all life!
     
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    To an extent. Hinduism encourages exploration and questions, but within reason. It’s not a free-for-all. Scholars have made interpretations to answer questions. For example, people have tried to use the Bhagavad Gita to justify vigilantism and taking the law into one’s own hands.
     
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    That is interesting. So your believe is that scriptures are a mechanism to find truth rather than containing truth itself? Wouldn't it need to have some truth in order to find truth?
     
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    Possibly. For instance I don't believe in literal gods and see all religion as symbolic, but I still derive enjoyment from pondering them, trying to see what point the authors were trying to get across, much like what one does with poetry. I guess actually participating in ritual is another form of that. Ritual also contributes to social cohesion so that could be another factor.
     
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    So then those who worship symbolically still believe that an actual god exists? It sounds to me as if symbolic worshippers are actually monotheist if that is the case.
     
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    Ahh. So people tried to do what some Christians do, twist the text to support their anti social tendencies. Reminds me of the Thuggee death cult (from which we get the word "Thug"), who claimed to be children of Kali, who used to rob and kill people in the name of Kali. (ironically many of these people turned out to be muslim). They believed that their brutal actions would save mankind, otherwise Kali would destroy the world.
     
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    Yes, I was going to put the social cohesion factor as well, but I'm lazy. If whatever creates solace and peace in the individual, in my book, it's a good thing. I just personally prefer more intensity.
     
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    The Indian Saints and Sages declare that the Truth is beyond words. But words can be like a kind of "bootstrapping" .. Eureka
     
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    Yes, pretty much.
     
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    Depends on the individual. Some symbolic worshippers will be monotheists others not
    Each knows best for themselves. I have done worship, but never felt that there are many gods
     
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    I agree. For me the main purpose of religion is to give people some sort of peace, otherwise they wouldn't join it. That is why I as an atheist am not anti-theist. Intensity is good though.
     
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    That is very true. Words box in concepts. Truth is more detailed and possibly more abstract, especially when it comes to the metaphysical. For instance, who can really describe feelings in words?
     
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