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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Jan 13, 2020.

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  1. firedragon

    firedragon Well-Known Member

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    Hijab is one of the most famous words in the current world. Some use it for distinction, some for slander whilst most do not know what it means. The word Hijab is generally accepted as a veil that women wear to cover their hair and sometimes even the face. The Muslim clerics propagate it as a way of life for women dictating her behaviour, conduct and dress code. This concept is not a Quranic teaching but a later development by humans.

    The word Hijab is cited many times in the Quran and never as a veil or headscarf.

    And between them is a “Hijab”, and on the elevated platform are men who recognized others by their features. And they called out to the dwellers of the Paradise: “Peace be upon you!” They have not yet entered it, but they are hoping. – Quran 7:46

    And we place “Hijab” over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur’an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion. – Quran 17:46

    So she took a “Hijab” to separate her from them, so We sent Our Spirit to her, and he took on the shape of a human being in all similarity. – Quran 19:17

    You who believe, do not enter the homes of the prophet unless you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for a narrative. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But God does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a “Hijab”. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm the messenger of God, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with God. – Quran 33:53

    He said: “I have enjoyed materialism more than I enjoyed the remembrance of my Lord; until it had set beyond the “Hijab”!” – Quran 38:32

    And they said: “Our hearts are sealed from what you invite us to, and in our ears is a deafness, and there is a “Hijab” between us and you. So do what you will, and so will we.” - 41:5

    And it is not for any human being that God would speak to him, except through inspiration, or from behind a “Hijab”, or by sending a messenger to inspire whom He wills with His permission. He is Most High, Wise. – Quran 42:51

    Could the word Hijab in any of these verses ever be translated as a clothing or lifestyle for women? These are usages of the word in the Quran. The word Hijab” is always used as a barrier, only contributing to these sentences as behind a barrier, beyond a barrier, or a separation. The verse 17:46 speaks of a barrier over their hearts to connote blindness whilst verse 19:17 talks of Mary who left the family and distanced herself from them where the word Hijab connotes measure to put up separation from someone.

    If the HIjab is such an important matter in a womans life as a lot of people (Not all) assess, why doesnt the central criterion of theology in the religion of Islam not have one sentence with it? Specifically "Hijab".
     
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    Why don't Muslim clerics use it on men as a way of dictating male behaviour?
     
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    I gather than the word hijab is a wider and more diverse term, referring to various sorts of veils, curtains or partitions but also the wider concept of covering modestly. It also became a specific term for headscarves for some reason too. Both uses are valid in the relevant context.

    I believe there are other verses which do refer to modest dress (for men and women), including specific references to head coverings (by different terms). These are obviously open to interpretation and cultural development though, hence the diverse range of practices among different Muslim communities around the world.

    Also, and at risk of contradicting the believes of others who might comment on this, this is all “a later development by humans”. :cool:
     
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    You are right. Hijab became a word that represents a whole lifestyle for women. Mafhoomul Hijabi.

    Not Quranic. Thats the whole point.

    You are right. I am talking specifically about the word Hijab, the Quran, and the distinction between what the two represents.
     
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    in Christianity it is a symbol of spiritual immaturity, imo, it is the same in Islam.
     
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    What is a spiritual immaturity in christianity?
     
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    Somebody posted a youtube on this topic. It seems that its something that has developed over a period of centuries, yes. Its kind of like that with any group.

    We start to think that what we have always done must have a reason behind it, but since we don't remember what the reason is we imagine one. Sometimes that ends up causing whacky behaviors. That is not only true about hijab laws but about laws in many countries.

    People make laws. Then the world changes, and those laws stop making sense. The context changes, and so the laws become crazy. Consider the American bathtub laws:
    Crazy Bathtub Laws
     
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    not seeing spiritual meaning, taking physicality literally. As a result women were required to wear hats , head covers and not to preach (Eve was deceived, not Adam and passed deception onto Adam if you take it literally).
    "12Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when onec turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,e are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another.f For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit."
     
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    SPOTON.
     
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    I disagree brother. But however, Christianity is not really relevant to the Quran so i will not delve into it if you dont mind.
     
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    As far as I understand (Sufism) the issue with mature /immature division in Islam is exactly the same as in Christianity (and Judaism). It is not a real problem but just a fact of spiritual growing .
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Let me guess.

    Puritans
     
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    Each religion, and often even denominations within the same religion, tend to develop their own symbols and traditions over time, and since these vary, there's a tendency to reject the symbols and traditions of others but then blindly accept the ones within our own.
     
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    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    I'd extend that just a bit. These traditions, rites and rituals become for many a barrier. It's as if people argued about the cover of a book rather than reading and understanding it and integrating it in their lives.

    And even then, if someone does read the book, are they reading it with "eyes to see" what it really contains (as the Bible puts it).
     
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  15. Conscious thoughts

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    I don't see the big problem with wearing a scarf on the head for fashion or because of religion.

    In Europe, it was very common for the female to wear a headscarf in the 1950s and 1960s and today we see Muslim women wearing a headscarf.

    Why is it so bad that so females today wear a scarf on their heads, but when it was common in Europe and America then it was totally normal and fashionable?
     
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    This is not about "whats bad about it" as you probably see in the OP.
     
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    There is Hijab for men too.
     
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    Yes, i saw that. Your OP is well written on what Hijab really means, and I do agree with you on this.
     
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    Purdah is much older than Islam and originates in Persia.. I think its basically about modesty.. Even the old testament refers to modesty being desirable for women.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I think there is a big difference between a veil that covers just the head and one that covers the face. The former is simply a style of dress, but the latter takes away a woman's humanity.

    I also object to clothing which hides a woman's natural beauty. I'm not saying don't be modest. But God made women to be beautiful. From the time we can look in a mirror, we begin dressing in princess clothes -- not for men to look at, but for the sheer pleasure of looking beautiful. It's just our nature. Forcing us to deny our nature completely is a form of abuse. I don't care whether it is Muslim, Jewish, or Christian. And even an older woman who has a belly can still dress in a way that is attractive, and rightly so! It is one of the ways we grace the earth.
     
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