Hijab>>Fard?

[MuslimModesty]

I wanted to know some different prespectives to why the Hijab may be fard or not from other Muslims on here???

So what do you think?

 

[aymen amir]

I wanted to know some different prespectives to why the Hijab may be fard or not from other Muslims on here???

So what do you think?

there is doubt that Hijjab is farad .... i don't think that there is a muslim who can deny this

 

[beenie]

i'm going to get bashed by many Muslims here, but i don't think the headscarf is fard. hijab is a concept and a way of life and conduct. the headscarf is one of many ways of expressing modesty.

i wore hijab for almost 9 years and stopped a few months back. i feel closer to God now than i did then. it's a long story, but that's my perspective.

the Qur'an is NOT clear on actual scarf-wearing, and anytime anyone quotes the infamous ayahs, they have to put words in parentheses to make sure it includes head-covering.

IMO.

next...

 

[beenie]

there is doubt that Hijjab is farad .... i don't think that there is a muslim who can deny this

i beg to differ, my friend.
i know many many Muslims who don't feel the hijab is fard. MANY.

 

[aymen amir]

i beg to differ, my friend.
i know many many Muslims who don't feel the hijab is fard. MANY.

Allah said ask scholars if you dont know ....what people feel is 0 in islam.... jijab is fard wheather people like or not..

 

[beenie]

I read the Quran, that is my source.

to be honest I'm sick and tired of all the "is hijab fard" questions. wear it or don't wear it, but be a good person and do your best.

I'm so tired of hearing how hijab is the be-all and end-all of Islam, as if someone is better or worse than the other based on a scarf. actions are what matters.

 

[beenie]

oh, and this is the DIR section; the OP asked this question for debating purposes, so maybe it should be moved to "same faith debates" instead?

 

[Sahar]

but i don't think the headscarf is fard. hijab is a concept and a way of life and conduct. the headscarf is one of many ways of expressing modesty.

The head scarf isn't = hijab. Head scarf is only a part of it. The modest criteria of dress is one aspect of modesty, right. But in modesty, you can't drop some aspects and embrace others. You can't be immodest in the way you walk and talk, but modest in your dress. You can't claim you talk and walk modestly while wearing a mini skirt. It's all aspects of the same coin that can't be separated at all. You are modest and this quality will be reflected in everything from how you dress to how you talk.

I'm so tired of hearing how hijab is the be-all and end-all of Islam, as if someone is better or worse than the other based on a scarf. actions are what matters.

I agree that there is huge emphasis on hijab when it comes to the religious preaching oriented to women. The woman can't be reduced only in hijab. True. There are other aspects that need to be equally emphasized.
On the other hand, why Muslim women are making a big deal of it? For example, you ssainhu repeatedly said that you don't wear it and you don't think it's necessary and now how when you removed it, you became closer to God? You yourself are making a big deal of it.

If actions matter, then hijab absolutely is an action. The happiness of many women who wear hijab is happiness of obeying their God. Hijab in many cases manifest our desire to turn closer to God, and removing it in many others manifest our weakness of faith. Because what matter if I am obeying God or not. If I don't want to wear it, no need to say it's not required. I should have the enough courage to say I just don't want to wear it. Our religion is not going to be shaped according to our vain desires.

The issue of hijab is already settled in our religion.

 

[Badran]

i beg to differ, my friend.
i know many many Muslims who don't feel the hijab is fard. MANY.

Thats true, and i know you're referring to the scarf, not the concept of hijab as in wearing modest clothes. Islam does say to wear modestly, i think we'd all agree on that. However there are some difference of opinions about what might be considered modest.

Some people for example believe that niqab is the supposed fard (requirement), and what the modest dress is supposed to be, and that wearing anything less than that would be not meeting Allah's requirements. Others see it as wearing modest clothes and wearing a headscarf, others as wearing modest clothes in general without the headscarf etc...

So i think the difference is not on wether the concept of hijab (wearing modest clothes) is fard or not, but rather the difference is on the properties of such clothes.

Also, i agree with you that most people like to act as if hijab or meeting the appropriate conditions of it, is the most important thing a woman should think of, which is definitely not true. A lot also like to take it as a judging criteria to judge a woman from, which is also most definitely wrong.

 

[beenie]

The head scarf isn't = hijab. Head scarf is only a part of it. The modest criteria of dress is one aspect of modesty, right. But in modesty, you can't drop some aspects and embrace others. You can't be immodest in the way you walk and talk, but modest in your dress. You can't claim you talk and walk modestly while wearing a mini skirt. It's all aspects of the same coin that can't be separated at all. You are modest and this quality will be reflected in everything from how you dress to how you talk.

we agree here, Sahar, and I even said so.. me sharing my experience is hardly making a big deal out of it though. look and listen to 80% of lectures, and hijab and women's obligations/shortcomings will be mentioned in some way. we spend too much time on how we are supposed to dressand not enough on our acts toward humankind. I live in the US, so I'm speaking from my experience, which I am quite sure differs from yours...and that's to be expected.

fine. if it helps you sleep better, I stopped wearing hijab because it was too difficult for me. but I refuse to accept your hint that removing it has weakened my faith. I admire you a lot, Sahar, but it seems your anger fuels itself if every Muslim doesn't see things as you do. please try and understand that Muslims come from all walks of life. I conduct myself VERY modestly, and God is my witness.

I agree that there is huge emphasis on hijab when it comes to the religious preaching oriented to women. The woman can't be reduced only in hijab. True. There are other aspects that need to be equally emphasized.
On the other hand, why Muslim women are making a big deal of it? For example, you ssainhu repeatedly said that you don't wear it and you don't think it's necessary and now how when you removed it, you became closer to God? You yourself are making a big deal of it.

If actions matter, then hijab absolutely is an action. The happiness of many women who wear hijab is happiness of obeying their God. Hijab in many cases manifest our desire to turn closer to God, and removing it in many others manifest our weakness of faith. Because what matter if I am obeying God or not. If I don't want to wear it, no need to say it's not required. I should have the enough courage to say I just don't want to wear it. Our religion is not going to be shaped according to our vain desires.

The issue of hijab is already settled in our religion.

 

[beenie]

perfectly said, Badran. you can always say what I mean to say better. I meant to reply under your quote but my phone won't let me. anyway, it seems you understand my sentiment well.

Thats true, and i know you're referring to the scarf, not the concept of hijab as in wearing modest clothes. Islam does say to wear modestly, i think we'd all agree on that. However there are some difference of opinions about what might be considered modest.

Some people for example believe that niqab is the supposed fard (requirement), and what the modest dress is supposed to be, and that wearing anything less than that would be not meeting Allah's requirements. Others see it as wearing modest clothes and wearing a headscarf, others as wearing modest clothes in general without the headscarf etc...

So i think the difference is not on wether the concept of hijab (wearing modest clothes) is fard or not, but rather the difference is on the properties of such clothes.

Also, i agree with you that most people like to act as if hijab or meeting the appropriate conditions of it, is the most important thing a woman should think of, which is definitely not true. A lot also like to take it as a judging criteria to judge a woman from, which is also most definitely wrong.

 

[A Thousand Suns]

I'm not sure as Quran doesn't specify to cover your head/face----These are the only verses related to Hijab

“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, or their brothers’ sons or their sisters’ sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognized and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)

And I'm not aware of any authentic hadis which tells women to cover there face---Yes Hijab is obligatory but the question is that does hijab includes covering your head??

 

[Sahar]

I live in the US, so I'm speaking from my experience, which I am quite sure differs from yours...and that's to be expected.

Different in what way? And how should this be any relevant to this topic?

fine. if it helps you sleep better, I stopped wearing hijab because it was too difficult for me. but I refuse to accept your hint that removing it has weakened my faith. I admire you a lot, Sahar, but it seems your anger fuels itself if every Muslim doesn't see things as you do. please try and understand that Muslims come from all walks of life. I conduct myself VERY modestly, and God is my witness.

What anger? ssainhu, Muslims come from all walks of life doesn't justify abandoning some teachings of Islam. If a Muslim lives in the US, it doesn't mean it's okay to eat pork meat or drink alcohol and to some these things could be non important. Being difficult for anyone to follow a certain teaching is completely different from not being required in Islam.
Many Muslim women from the different places of the world do stick to that specific teaching of modest dress. Does abandoning it constitute the end of the world? No, it doesn't. Yet, it remains a defect in this specific area.
Any teaching even if it is small or maybe seem less important drives its importance because it manifest our obedience to God. This is the most important thing. Small or big, less or more important, it's all about obeying Allah.

I didn't say that you are immodest. This is something I can't judge. This is not the issue, anyway.

 

[beenie]

Different in what way? And how should this be any relevant to this topic?

What anger? ssainhu, Muslims come from all walks of life doesn't justify abandoning some teachings of Islam. If a Muslim lives in the US, it doesn't mean it's okay to eat pork meat or drink alcohol and to some these things could be non important. Being difficult for anyone to follow a certain teaching is completely different from not being required in Islam.
Many Muslim women from the different places of the world do stick to that specific teaching of modest dress. Does abandoning it constitute the end of the world? No, it doesn't. Yet, it remains a defect in this specific area.
Any teaching even if it is small or maybe seem less important drives its importance because it manifest our obedience to God. This is the most important thing. Small or big, less or more important, it's all about obeying Allah.

I didn't say that you are immodest. This is something I can't judge. This is not the issue, anyway.

we agree on most things. i just don't compare wearing a headscarf to eating pork and drinking alcohol. those two items have been clearly and strictly forbidden. "modesty" is subjective, and i honestly feel that one can be just as modest with or without the headscarf. anyway, there is no sense in arguing this anymore; we see things differently and that's ok.

we're all still Muslims and instead of pointing out differences amongst us, we should embrace each other based on our basic belief in the Almighty.

 

[beenie]

I'm not sure as Quran doesn't specify to cover your head/face----These are the only verses related to Hijab

“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, or their brothers’ sons or their sisters’ sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognized and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)

And I'm not aware of any authentic hadis which tells women to cover there face---Yes Hijab is obligatory but the question is that does hijab includes covering your head??

this is exactly my point. in those verses, Allah never says to "cover your hair", only to draw your cloaks around you. i know people are going to say that women already wore head coverings, but i would think Allah would say to continue wearing head covering AND draw your cloaks around you, etc. that would make it abundantly clear. Allah was crystal clear about prayer, fasting, forbiddance of certain activities...why not so clear about the headscarf?

anyway, just my thoughts...

 

[Sahar]

Who said that Allah wasn't clear?
If Allah wasn't clear then there wouldn't be a consensus among the scholars and majority of Muslims about the MINIMAL requirement of hijab. The only disagreement is about the face. As it's said, disagreement is a mercy. As long as it's a disagreed opinion between the scholars, you can lean toward any of the sides. No scholar said (and the evidence from the Qur'an and the Sunnah proves the opposite) that modesty is subjective and everyone can wear whatever they think it's modest. If this is true, then the woman who wears miniskirt or show her midriff and belly is modest too...

 

[beenie]

we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Sahar. you won't convince me and i won't convince you...so we'll just go round after round.

but i still adore you and love your insight, and no matter what, we are still sisters in Islam and always will be.

 

[Sahar]

and no matter what, we are still sisters in Islam and always will be.

Sure thing

 

[ConfusedKuri]

i'm going to get bashed by many Muslims here, but i don't think the headscarf is fard. hijab is a concept and a way of life and conduct. the headscarf is one of many ways of expressing modesty.

i wore hijab for almost 9 years and stopped a few months back. i feel closer to God now than i did then. it's a long story, but that's my perspective.

the Qur'an is NOT clear on actual scarf-wearing, and anytime anyone quotes the infamous ayahs, they have to put words in parentheses to make sure it includes head-covering.

IMO.

next...

Same here, I wore it for almost 5 years then it suddenly felt stupid and unnecessary so I stopped. I feel we often act superfical, judging others by their observance of hijab. Just for someone is wearing hijab it won't make them a better Muslima imo.