Higher and lower self.

[Thief]

From your understanding, or from the scripture you follow and believe in.

What is the difference in Higher and Lower self?

I don't think religion take aim

Frued did

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't think religion take aim

Frued did

When you say religion do not take aim. Can you explain a little what you mean by it?

 

[Thief]

When you say religion do not take aim. Can you explain a little what you mean by it?

most belief systems mention motivation
we should check our everyday actions against the inner self

conquer.....ourselves

but until psychology revealed what that truly meant
everyone was just guessing

 

[Spirit of Light]

most belief systems mention motivation
we should check our everyday actions against the inner self

conquer.....ourselves

but until psychology revealed what that truly meant
everyone was just guessing

As far as i know mostly all if not all religious or spiritual scripture has an explenation of what self is, and how to let it go. So Psychology is not the first to atempt to answer this question

 

[Thief]

As far as i know mostly all if not all religious or spiritual scripture has an explenation of what self is, and how to let it go. So Psychology is not the first to atempt to answer this question

let it go?

you can't

your inner self......is you

 

[Spirit of Light]

let it go?

you can't

your inner self......is you

There is no "You" the only "thing" that let people think there is a "you" is the ego that they are something different than others. in a deeper sense there can only exist oneness, and ego is what make seperation from oneness.
This is of course only my understanding, so disagreement will happen.

 

[Thief]

There is no "You" .

then WHO did I just quote?

was it not YOU

 

[Spirit of Light]

then WHO did I just quote?

was it not YOU

Only if it has been put an ego to the text that is read.
The body or mind is not the "you"

 

[Thief]

Only if it has been put an ego to the text that is read.
The body or mind is not the "you"

the body forms a unique spirit on each occasion

not much point in the creation of man
if YOU return to dust
and there is nothing standing

 

[Spirit of Light]

the body forms a unique spirit on each occasion

not much point in the creation of man
if YOU return to dust
and there is nothing standing

When the human life is not the end result, there is no end, only continoues existence.

 

[Thief]

When the human life is not the end result, there is no end, only continoues existence.

so.....YOU will.....continue

 

[Spirit of Light]

so.....YOU will.....continue

Oneness continue (lower self (ego) is gone)

 

[Thief]

Oneness continue (lower self (ego) is gone)

I don't think it disappears

you might learn to say ,.....no

to yourself

but the ID......never goes away

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't think it disappears

you might learn to say ,.....no

to yourself

but the ID......never goes away

What is there to identify as?

 

[sayak83]

In the link i give i believe it explain very well about higher and lower self. (The text is not directly from the sufi order i belong to, but the wisdom is there)

Transforming the self: the essence of Sufism by Robert Frager (katinkahesselink.net)

This is almost identical with the teachings of the Gita and the Upanishads. Nothing further needs to be said.

 

[Spirit of Light]

This is almost identical with the teachings of the Gita and the Upanishads. Nothing further needs to be said.

Thank you for taking time to look in to the links

 

[sayak83]

Thank you for taking time to look in to the links

Some months ago some forum member was asking me to show that mystical teaching from different religions converge on the basic teachings. What you linked was something I wished I had at that time, for it demonstrates the similarity so well. I wish you the best, as your path is correct one. May you reach unity with the pure self.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Some months ago some forum member was asking me to show that mystical teaching from different religions converge on the basic teachings. What you linked was something I wished I had at that time, for it demonstrates the similarity so well. I wish you the best, as your path is correct one. May you reach unity with the pure self.

Thank you @sayak83 the sufi teaching is truly what opend a whole new understanding and it eleveted something deep inside of my being.

I wish you all the best too, and may you find the answers within the path you are on.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I am about to start writing down a lot of this things yes. Because what i do speak of is my own understanding of the topic. And to realise more and maybe deeper understanding, i would have to be able to go back to see what i understood in the past.

You may be surprised how much you will have grown. So far I have reflection journals and three others with their own topics of reflection. The key is what to do with it. Do you have your own ritual practice (not specifically in the common sense of the term)? More of meditation?

 

[Spirit of Light]

You may be surprised how much you will have grown. So far I have reflection journals and three others with their own topics of reflection. The key is what to do with it. Do you have your own ritual practice (not specifically in the common sense of the term)? More of meditation?

I am sure the journal i started on today will be of good effect

You mean except for the prayers?
I use Zikr or rememberance of Allah. repeating Allah as similar to what other traditions call mantra.
This bring the practitioner closer to Allah and look almost like a form of meditation.
And other form of meditation i use is Murāqabah or watching once spiritual heart (not the physical heart)