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Hey Socialist liberals...want 'immigrants'? Ya got em!

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The majority of Americans were born in America ergo not immigrants. Nor is immigrant a hereditary status. Native Americans didn't found America ergo the settlers were not immigrants. Get a dictionary before you babble about math.

Immigrants families

And they were there before the immigrants

Hey, you said made up numbers, you dont like the numbers then that is not my problem
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Which are still not the majority of modern Americans.

You are conflating immigrant with migrant.


Methinks you are the one in need of a dictionary

Immigrant : a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

Migrant : a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Native Americans didn't found America ergo the settlers were not immigrants. Get a dictionary before you babble about math.
They didn't establish America, but they did indeed have established governance, co-ops, and confederations. They made war and peace with each other, traded and and entered into agreements with each other.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Methinks you are the one in need of a dictionary

Immigrant : a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

As most Americans are born in America this shows your 98% stat was false. Read what you post.

Migrant : a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.

IE the settlers.

Native American is just a term for aboriginal of a land. It is not a citizenship of a nation-state.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
98.4% of americans are of immigrant families.
My mom's-mom's-dad was the last in either side of my family to move here. It kept the family rather Irish and very red haired, but not immigrant. My sibling's grandparents did come here from Germany and Finland, but even their kids (now middle aged and senior aged adults) are so regular American that it's their blood but they don't consider themselves immigrants.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
They didn't establish America, but they did indeed have established governance, co-ops, and confederations. They made war and peace with each other, traded and and entered into agreements with each other.

I know this. The point was over the use of words and how that use is a distortion. There is a distinction between born citizen and immigrant in language and law.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I know this. The point was over the use of words and how that use is a distortion. There is a distinction between born citizen and immigrant in language and law.
Those such as the Pilgrims and earliest colonist did migrate over here though. They were indeed immigrants. Their children born here, no (the Irish didn't even deny that about Irish-born British). But they themselves were, and where the number might be true is that it would be about that many American families overall who did migrate here at some point. We're just not like Europe or Asia or Africa where some of them have had families there longer than the current borders or existence of their contemporary nation.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Those such as the Pilgrims and earliest colonist did migrate over here though. They were indeed immigrants.

Not immigrants as they do not move to some aboriginal confederation or tribe. They were not under the authority of any tribe but of European nations. Hence the terms settlers, colony, and colonization not immigrants are used.

Their children born here, no (the Irish didn't even deny that about Irish-born British). But they themselves were, and where the number might be true is that it would be about that many American families overall who did migrate here at some point. We're just not like Europe or Asia or Africa where some of them have had families there longer than the current borders or existence of their contemporary nation.

We are talking about a contemporary nation-state and it's population.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
They were not under the authority of any tribe but of European nations. Hence the terms settlers, colony, and colonization not immigrants are used.
Ever hear of the Mayflower Compact? And even before America's sovereignty people immigrated here from various places.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
As most Americans are born in America this shows your 98% stat was false. Read what you post.



IE the settlers.

Native American is just a term for aboriginal of a land. It is not a citizenship of a nation-state.

As most american families are immigrant (max 250 years) which was my point, america is built on immigration

Edit :i know precisely what i posted which tallied with the definition which you appear to have confused

Its a term for the originial inhabitants of what is now called america
 
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