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Hey Socialist liberals...want 'immigrants'? Ya got em!

Watchmen

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Premium Member
I suggest you rerread my posts

I really dont give a hoot what the us does, but a country built on immigration closing its borders to immigrants smacks of mass hypocrisy to me
I reread your posts. Fuzzy math.

So once an immigrant country always an immigrant country? You don’t see the flaw in that?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I reread your posts. Fuzzy math.

So once an immigrant country always an immigrant country? You don’t see the flaw in that?


The maths is not fuzzy but really quite accurate

You do see a flaw in it?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
98% of the people on the US are not immigrants. Feel free to edit your original post to make an accurate statement.

Considering there are more who agree with me than disagree i am minded to leave it untouched and agree to disagree with you
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Considering there are more who agree with me than disagree i am minded to leave it untouched and agree to disagree with you
No one here but you believes 98% are actual immigrants. It requires explaining. Why not fix it? Or are you being intentionally misleading? I think we know the answer.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
No one here but you believes 98% are actual immigrants. It requires explaining. Why not fix it? Or are you being intentionally misleading? I think we know the answer.

There are several posts in agreement. And several awards showing approval.

I have explained my post to you several times, because you refuse to accept the explanation does not mean i am willing to go on explaining every time you ask just so that you can reject it. I have better ways to waste my time.

When i went to school 100% - 2% was always 98%,if you know a different answer then why dont you explain.

You believe you know the answer and you are welcome to your belief, i really dont care what you believe
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There are several posts in agreement. And several awards showing approval.

I have explained my post to you several times, because you refuse to accept the explanation does not mean i am willing to go on explaining every time you ask just so that you can reject it. I have better ways to waste my time.

When i went to school 100% - 2% was always 98%,if you know a different answer then why dont you explain.

You believe you know the answer and you are welcome to your belief, i really dont care what you believe
But your original post is flat out wrong. Why won’t you correct it?

Do you believe 98% of current residents of the US are immigrants?

I respectfully invite you to answer the two questions above instead of trying to deflect.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
But your original post is flat out wrong. Why won’t you correct it?

Do you believe 98% of current residents of the US are immigrants?

I respectfully invite you to answer the two questions above instead of trying to deflect.

How many times? It was not wrong, and several people agree with me. You of course are welcome to your opinion.

And i have answered your questions several times, i am done banging my head against your wall.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
But your original post is flat out wrong. Why won’t you correct it?

Do you believe 98% of current residents of the US are immigrants?

I respectfully invite you to answer the two questions above instead of trying to deflect.

It seems clear that she obviously meant that 98% of current US residents are descendants of immigrants. Some could even argue that it would apply even to the Native Americans, as they also migrated from Asia. So, based on that, it would actually be 100% of the population who are descendants of immigrants.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
How many times? It was not wrong, and several people agree with me. You of course are welcome to your opinion.

And i have answered your questions several times, i am done banging my head against your wall.
It was wrong. 98% of the people currently in the US are not immigrants.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It seems clear that she obviously meant that 98% of current US residents are descendants of immigrants. Some could even argue that it would apply even to the Native Americans, as they also migrated from Asia. So, based on that, it would actually be 100% of the population who are descendants of immigrants.
I’ve invited her to edit her first post to make that clarification and yet she refuses. Seems curious. One would think she was being intentionally deceitful.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
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I’ve invited her to edit her first post to make that clarification and yet she refuses. Seems curious. One would think she was being intentionally deceitful.

Well, it seems that there was clarification made. Even if there wasn't, I'm not even sure why it's such an important point to clarify in the first place. It seemed clear enough to me that the underlying point was that the US has a long history of immigration and most of its present-day population descended from immigrants to this continent.

That is a historical fact, and the percentage cited was based on US government statistics regarding the percentage of Native Americans (2%, which would mean that 98% are not Native Americans). That seemed fair enough and clear enough, although I myself might question those statistics, as it's possible it may be undercounted, depending on how much Native American ancestry is required - or if it requires actual tribal membership to be counted. But I wouldn't fault anyone for using government stats (or at least not in this case). I see no intent to deceive anyone.

Of course, the circumstances of individuals who immigrated here varied greatly, depending on where they came from and how they got here - and what they could expect upon arrival. It's actually kind of fascinating when you consider it - the overall tapestry that makes up the fabric of America today. Some of it is kind of bloodied and battered, but it hasn't been all bad either.

Nevertheless, it's not necessarily the most important argument, whether for or against continued immigration in the present day. I don't think anyone is arguing that immigration be totally stopped, nor do I think anyone is arguing for totally open borders and letting in anyone who wants to come in. The whole argument is about degrees of difference - how much or how little immigration, as well as from which countries, not to mention those who come in legally vs. those who come in illegally.
 
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