Hey Socialist liberals...want 'immigrants'? Ya got em!

[Stevicus]

Possible,i used official government figures for number of native Americans.

Yeah, based on that, 2% sounds about right.

a country built on immigration closing its borders to immigrants smacks of mass hypocrisy to me

Yes, although throughout that same history, America has always had a rather odd and conflicted set of attitudes on the subject (and a great many other subjects, for that matter). The current debate seems more rooted in these divisions which have existed throughout US history. It's not merely about immigration as a neutral concept, but it touches upon some other issues which have made it into a flashpoint for heated debate in recent times.

 

[ChristineM]

Yeah, based on that, 2% sounds about right.



Yes, although throughout that same history, America has always had a rather odd and conflicted set of attitudes on the subject (and a great many other subjects, for that matter). The current debate seems more rooted in these divisions which have existed throughout US history. It's not merely about immigration as a neutral concept, but it touches upon some other issues which have made it into a flashpoint for heated debate in recent times.

I realise there is much involved, but it just seems so petty to me. There is a similar situation in the UK, the major argument in Brexir was immigration. Its helped divide the county and i see that division (actually just another division) happening across the atlantic puddle.

 

[Stevicus]

I realise there is much involved, but it just seems so petty to me. There is a similar situation in the UK, the major argument in Brexir was immigration. Its helped divide the county and i see that division (actually just another division) happening across the atlantic puddle.

It's hard to say. I've seen opinions go up and down the spectrum. Some want a complete moratorium on all immigration (who are probably very few in number), while others seem to accept some immigration but worry that we may be taking on too much. Immigration itself is not the issue, but rather, how much immigration is what seems foremost on people's minds.

Where the immigrants are coming from also appears to be at issue, depending on our history with the regions in question. The history of our southern border has been a bit messy, along with our history in Latin America overall - which is where most of our current immigrants are coming from.

Part of our history also includes Davy Crockett at the Alamo. King of the Wild Frontier. So, some of these guys around here think they have to guard the border just like Davy Crockett guarding the Alamo.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Wait - you think a non-communist from a communist country is a communist as well?

Is there anyone you don't think is a communist?

He's Russian who expatriated to the United States. Silly.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

He's Russian who expatriated to the United States. Silly.

He's the person you gave as an example of a communist you had met.

 

[Twilight Hue]

He's the person you gave as an example of a communist you had met.

Yeah , and that would qualify him as being an authority on communists and can recognize the precursors of communism.

In fact many EX communists do look at socialist Democrats as being closet communist in light of recent policies and directions this country has taken under their rule.

‘Damn socialism, why are you chasing me?’ Chinese-Americans see ghost of communism in Democrats’ leftward turn

So yes todays Democrats are socialists.

 

[Woberts]

Yeah , and that would qualify him as being an authority on communists and can recognize the precursors of communism.

In fact many EX communists do look at socialist Democrats as being closet communist in light of recent policies and directions this country has taken under their rule.

‘Damn socialism, why are you chasing me?’ Chinese-Americans see ghost of communism in Democrats’ leftward turn

So yes todays Democrats are socialists.

No, they're not. Believe me, I wish they are. You would be among the first to go, in fact. But that is not the case.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, they're not. Believe me, I wish they are. You would be among the first to go, in fact. But that is not the case.

Bul****. They are socialist.

Even supported by communists living here in the United States.

Why does the CPUSA support Democratic Party candidates for the presidency instead of running their own candidates?

I'm not falling for the Democrats are not socialists lie.

 

[Woberts]

Bul****. They are socialist.

Even supported by communists living here in the United States.

Why does the CPUSA support Democratic Party candidates for the presidency instead of running their own candidates?

I'm not falling for the Democrats are not socialists lie.

The KKK has supported Republicans. Does this mean that the Republicans are all KKK members?
That's the same logic that you're using here. Think about it this way: we're not going to win any elections as a communist, so we go to the closest candidate that has a chance at winning. Same reason Nazis vote republican, in fact.

 

[ChristineM]

Bul****. They are socialist.

Even supported by communists living here in the United States.

Why does the CPUSA support Democratic Party candidates for the presidency instead of running their own candidates?

I'm not falling for the Democrats are not socialists lie.

Democrats are too far right by world standards to be considered socialist.

But i guess by republican standards they are seen as far left

Interesting that the political compass rates hilary more right wing than gropy boy

 

[Twilight Hue]

Democrats are too far right by world standards to be considered socialist.

But i guess by republican standards they are seen as far left

Interesting that the political compass rates hilary more right wing than gropy boy
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I think I'll take the word of Chinese Americans over a clearly fallacious chart.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The KKK has supported Republicans. Does this mean that the Republicans are all KKK members?
That's the same logic that you're using here. Think about it this way: we're not going to win any elections as a communist, so we go to the closest candidate that has a chance at winning. Same reason Nazis vote republican, in fact.

I don't see Republicans burning any crosses here.

I do see socialist Democrats proactively engaged in more extreme left-wing policies.

By the way, when did the KKK become a recognized political party? Though sometimes the glimmer of Truth Peaks through...
As Goes Virginia, So Goes the Democratic Party

Unlike the CPUSA of course which unfortunately is a political party which openly supports socialist Democrats.

 

[ChristineM]

I think I'll take the word of Chinese Americans over a clearly fallacious chart.

So you have evidence that the chart is fallacious?

Governments rely on the political compass but feel to base your opinion on the hearsay you like

 

[Twilight Hue]

So you have evidence that the chart is fallacious?

Governments rely on the political compass but feel to base your opinion on the hearsay you like

Hardly hearsay considering this came out of the horse's mouth. Hence the CPUSA itself.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't see Republicans burning any crosses here.

I do see socialist Democrats proactively engaged in more extreme left-wing policies.

By the way, when did the KKK become a recognized political party? Though sometimes the glimmer of Truth Peaks through...
As Goes Virginia, So Goes the Democratic Party

Unlike the CPUSA of course which unfortunately is a political party which openly supports socialist Democrats.

Can you identify these left wing policies?
Who said the kkk were a political party?

 

[ChristineM]

Hardly hearsay considering this came out of the horse's mouth. Hence the CPUSA itself.

So you have no evidence that the political compass is fallacious?

I thought you were talking about the democratic party. Ok so now its the communist party.

 

[Woberts]

I do see socialist Democrats proactively engaged in more extreme left-wing policies.

Like what?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Like what?

*Green New deal

*Eliminating the electoral college

*Nanny state

*Surveillance state

*Preference for Instituting a Venezuelan style government.

You Can See America's Future Under Socialism, And It Isn't Pretty | Investor's Business Daily

 

[Duke_Leto]

*Green New deal

*Eliminating the electoral college

*Nanny state

*Surveillance state

*Preference for Instituting a Venezuelan style government.

You Can See America's Future Under Socialism, And It Isn't Pretty | Investor's Business Daily

Could you perhaps give us a definition of what you believe "socialism" to be? Because from what you've listed, I'd say you have a pretty poor understanding of it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Could you perhaps give us a definition of what you believe "socialism" to be? Because from what you've listed, I'd say you have a pretty poor understanding of it.

That's because Democrats are trying to change the meaning themselves. What you see there is not the definition of socialism, it's the results of socialism.


so·cial·ism
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noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

I think I have a pretty fair understanding of it and can see where it's leading to.