Hey Socialist liberals...want 'immigrants'? Ya got em!

[Watchmen]

Nothing to do with not participating but everything to do with me telling you 3 timed tim you refusing to admit to seeing my posts despite answering them. I am not wasting my time going round and round

Totally wrong. Your math doesn’t add up. I invited you to explain and you refused. I’m happy to discuss.

 

[ChristineM]

Totally wrong. Your math doesn’t add up. I invited you to explain and you refused. I’m happy to discuss.

Sheesh, it does add up. You simply wont accept it, perhaps different viewpoints, who knows?

 

[Watchmen]

Sheesh, it does add up. You simply wont accept it, perhaps different viewpoints, who knows?

It does NOT add up. 5+ million Native Americans does not mean 98% of the US is made up of immigrants. I provided a source that shows immigrants make up 13% of the population.

 

[ChristineM]

It does NOT add up. 5+ million Native Americans does not mean 98% of the US is made up of immigrants. I provided a source that shows immigrants make up 13% of the population.

Ok, if thats what you think

 

[Stevicus]

Since Christine refuses to participate further, can anyone with her point of view please explain how the US is currently made up of 98% immigrants?

I thought it included descendants of immigrants, as opposed to those who were indigenous to the continent prior to 1492. I remember hearing as a kid "all Americans are immigrants or descendants of immigrants."

I suppose it also depends on how one defines "immigrant," whether it implies some sort of peaceful, legal process - or something different. Were the English settlers at Jamestown in 1607 "immigrants"? Were they squatters, invaders - or something different? Or the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock? And this was over 150 years before America even existed as an independent country. If a British subject relocated from England to the Virginia colony in 1750, would they be considered an immigrant, or merely moving from one province to another within the same country?

Some of my ancestors actually would have been French citizens prior to America's annexation of the Louisiana territory. (Although at some point they would have also been under Spanish jurisdiction since that territory changed hands a couple of times.) They didn't really have to move anywhere, since America itself was expanding and absorbing huge territories. This also led to huge waves of new immigration and internal migration as people went west in a mad rush for land and profit.

Of course, the point is made that America has a long history of immigration and/or migration. But there's also always been a certain degree of opposition to it. That also has a long history.

But in the present context of the immigration debate today, I don't really see it as a debate over history.

 

[Watchmen]

Ok, if thats what you think

It’s not what I think. It’s what the source says.

 

[Watchmen]

I thought it included descendants of immigrants, as opposed to those who were indigenous to the continent prior to 1492. I remember hearing as a kid "all Americans are immigrants or descendants of immigrants."

I suppose it also depends on how one defines "immigrant," whether it implies some sort of peaceful, legal process - or something different. Were the English settlers at Jamestown in 1607 "immigrants"? Were they squatters, invaders - or something different? Or the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock? And this was over 150 years before America even existed as an independent country. If a British subject relocated from England to the Virginia colony in 1750, would they be considered an immigrant, or merely moving from one province to another within the same country?

Some of my ancestors actually would have been French citizens prior to America's annexation of the Louisiana territory. (Although at some point they would have also been under Spanish jurisdiction since that territory changed hands a couple of times.) They didn't really have to move anywhere, since America itself was expanding and absorbing huge territories. This also led to huge waves of new immigration and internal migration as people went west in a mad rush for land and profit.

Of course, the point is made that America has a long history of immigration and/or migration. But there's also always been a certain degree of opposition to it. That also has a long history.

But in the present context of the immigration debate today, I don't really see it as a debate over history.

Look at her original post. None of this exposition is there.

 

[ChristineM]

Look at her original post. None of this exposition is there.

Does it have to be in a one liner?

 

[Watchmen]

Does it have to be in a one liner?

I’ve invited you to explain multiple times and you refused. Here’s another chance:

1. How does stating there are 5 million native Americans support that 98% of those in the US are immigrants? I’m particularly curious since my source, which you have not refuted, has the number at 13.4%.

2. If you stand by your number (98%), what is your definition of “immigrant”?

I’m happy to have this discussion, and hope you provide a substantive response.

 

[ChristineM]

I’ve invited you to explain multiple times and you refused. Here’s another chance:

1. How does stating there are 5 million native Americans support that 98% of those in the US are immigrants? I’m particularly curious since my source, which you have not refuted, has the number at 13.4%.

2. If you stand by your number (98%), what is your definition of “immigrant”?

I’m happy to have this discussion, and hope you provide a substantive response.

And i have, you refuse to accept my explanation, not my problem

 

[Watchmen]

And i have, you refuse to accept my explanation, not my problem

You haven’t. The math does not work. No matter how many times you say it does, it doesn’t. You’ve also never rebutted my neutral and supported source. You’ve provided no sources.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I wonder how you'd react if you ever ran into an actual communist.

I did. I had a roommate once who lived in communist Russia during the Warsaw Pact years. Of course he didn't care much about communism no more than I did hence becoming a citizen here in the US.

He had quite a few interesting tales to tell.

 

[ChristineM]

You haven’t. The math does not work. No matter how many times you say it does, it doesn’t. You’ve also never rebutted my neutral and supported source. You’ve provided no sources.

How many percent of the US population are American Indian?

The rest aren't, and every single one hails from immigrant roots

The maths is simple

 

[Watchmen]

How many percent of the US population are American Indian?

The rest aren't, and every single one hails from immigrant roots

The maths is simple

Now you’re moving the goalposts. Your original post didn’t say immigrant roots. It said they ARE immigrants. That’s a huge difference. Do you think the US should have open borders?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I did. I had a roommate once who lived in communist Russia during the Warsaw Pact years. Of course he didn't care much about communism no more than I did hence becoming a citizen here in the US.

He had quite a few interesting tales to tell.

Wait - you think a non-communist from a communist country is a communist as well?

Is there anyone you don't think is a communist?

 

[ChristineM]

Now you’re moving the goalposts. Your original post didn’t say immigrant roots. It said they ARE immigrants. That’s a huge difference. Do you think the US should have open borders?

sheesh, i have stated this several times, you ignored it.

 

[Stevicus]

How many percent of the US population are American Indian?

It depends on if you include those who claim 1/32 Native ancestry. A lot of Americans might claim distant Native ancestors, which would make the percentage much larger than those who are actual registered/recognized members of a given tribe.

 

[ChristineM]

It depends on if you include those who claim 1/32 Native ancestry. A lot of Americans might claim distant Native ancestors, which would make the percentage much larger than those who are actual registered/recognized members of a given tribe.

Possible,i used official government figures for number of native Americans.

 

[Watchmen]

sheesh, i have stated this several times, you ignored it.

No. You dug in with your fuzzy math. Do you believe the US should have open borders?

 

[ChristineM]

No. You dug in with your fuzzy math. Do you believe the US should have open borders?

I suggest you rerread my posts

I really dont give a hoot what the us does, but a country built on immigration closing its borders to immigrants smacks of mass hypocrisy to me