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Hey believers! Why put someone else between You and God?

morphesium

Active Member
Today we know that information is processed in the brain as electrical signals. So if God wishes to say something to us, he only needs to alter the potentials here and there and the message would be conveyed to us - He can do this without revealing himself and we would never know his presence. This way, he could stay in touch with humans in every corner of the world. This is something tailor made for oneself and apt for the situation.

I sometimes consider my mental construction very similar to a pond. Just like a pond may have various sources of water, (some oozing from under ground, some flowing in to the pond, some pouring in as rain etc), my mind construct is made by my concious mind , my sub-concious mind (something that usually controls my concious mind; but something I can take control of if i try) and some random electrical pulses or potentials in the brain which leads to creativity in arts, science and so on (quite specific for ones brain). Edited to add :- So our mind is like a pond, but we have the choice to select the source of water and we can tune our sense to tap more water from the above)
This is what a musician said in an interview when he was asked how he creates such lovely music..." I don't know anything about the tones i am going to create and I am not sure that I would be able to create a new one again. When I sit with these, it comes into my mind as if some one is telling /guiding me"


So why put someone (a prophet) or something else (a book/ rituals etc) between you and God?
 
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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Today we know that information is processed in the brain as electrical signals. So if God wishes to say something to us, he only needs to alter the potentials here and there and the message would be conveyed to us - He can do this without revealing himself and we would never know his presence. This way, he could stay in touch with humans in every corner of the world. This is something tailor made for oneself and apt for the situation.

I sometimes consider my mental construction very similar to a pond. Just like a pond may have various sources of water, (some oozing from under ground, some flowing in to the pond, some pouring in as rain etc), my mind construct is made by my concious mind , my sub-concious mind (something that usually controls my concious mind; but something I can take control of if i try) and some random electrical pulses or potentials in the brain which leads to creativity in arts, science and so on (quite specific for ones brain).


So why put someone (a prophet) or something else (a book/ rituals etc) between you and God?
There are not two people who see the same scene.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Today we know that information is processed in the brain as electrical signals. So if God wishes to say something to us, he only needs to alter the potentials here and there and the message would be conveyed to us - He can do this without revealing himself and we would never know his presence. This way, he could stay in touch with humans in every corner of the world. This is something tailor made for oneself and apt for the situation.


So why put someone (a prophet) or something else (a book/ rituals etc) between you and God?

As a translator or guide, an infinite intelligence speaking to a finite human. There might be some interpretation problems.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Today we know that information is processed in the brain as electrical signals. So if God wishes to say something to us, he only needs to alter the potentials here and there and the message would be conveyed to us - He can do this without revealing himself and we would never know his presence. This way, he could stay in touch with humans in every corner of the world. This is something tailor made for oneself and apt for the situation.
He could program us like robots but is that a good thing? Or is it a more beautiful script when we have used our reason and effort to reach Him?
 

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
Today we know that information is processed in the brain as electrical signals. So if God wishes to say something to us, he only needs to alter the potentials here and there and the message would be conveyed to us - He can do this without revealing himself and we would never know his presence. This way, he could stay in touch with humans in every corner of the world. This is something tailor made for oneself and apt for the situation.

I sometimes consider my mental construction very similar to a pond. Just like a pond may have various sources of water, (some oozing from under ground, some flowing in to the pond, some pouring in as rain etc), my mind construct is made by my concious mind , my sub-concious mind (something that usually controls my concious mind; but something I can take control of if i try) and some random electrical pulses or potentials in the brain which leads to creativity in arts, science and so on (quite specific for ones brain). Edited to add :- So our mind is like a pond, but we have the choice to select the source of water and we can tune our sense to tap more water from the above)


So why put someone (a prophet) or something else (a book/ rituals etc) between you and God?

Because in life and in specialist subjects, one always needs a teacher. Do you think you can become a doctor by simply reading some medical textbooks? or do you need the "middle man", ie teachers and lecturers to help explain the books and put things into practice. The answer is you obviously need a teacher.

The example of the prophets is that they were teachers.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
Because in life and in specialist subjects, one always needs a teacher. Do you think you can become a doctor by simply reading some medical textbooks? or do you need the "middle man", ie teachers and lecturers to help explain the books and put things into practice. The answer is you obviously need a teacher.

The example of the prophets is that they were teachers.
The latest one was yours and it was millenniums ago.

Thank you,not for me. I have got my school teachers that I appreciate.
 

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
The latest one was yours and it was millenniums ago.

Thank you,not for me. I have got my school teachers that I appreciate.

That's fair enough. However, your reply really has nothing to do with this thread but thank you for taking such an interest in what I say. Much appreciated.
 

morphesium

Active Member
Because in life and in specialist subjects, one always needs a teacher. Do you think you can become a doctor by simply reading some medical textbooks? or do you need the "middle man", ie teachers and lecturers to help explain the books and put things into practice. The answer is you obviously need a teacher.

The example of the prophets is that they were teachers.
Your reply doesn't answer the question. Teachers are far different from (claimed) prophets. Source of knowledge of the teachers (or the teachings of the teachers) can be verified, altered, and enhanced. This is not true with the (claimed) Prophets. It is to be kept fixed, unaltered, unverifiable.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
As a translator or guide, an infinite intelligence speaking to a finite human. There might be some interpretation problems.
Wait...
An all knowing all powerful being is unable to communicate to us mere humans without interpretation issues?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Today we know that information is processed in the brain as electrical signals. So if God wishes to say something to us, he only needs to alter the potentials here and there and the message would be conveyed to us - He can do this without revealing himself and we would never know his presence. This way, he could stay in touch with humans in every corner of the world. This is something tailor made for oneself and apt for the situation.

I sometimes consider my mental construction very similar to a pond. Just like a pond may have various sources of water, (some oozing from under ground, some flowing in to the pond, some pouring in as rain etc), my mind construct is made by my concious mind , my sub-concious mind (something that usually controls my concious mind; but something I can take control of if i try) and some random electrical pulses or potentials in the brain which leads to creativity in arts, science and so on (quite specific for ones brain). Edited to add :- So our mind is like a pond, but we have the choice to select the source of water and we can tune our sense to tap more water from the above)


So why put someone (a prophet) or something else (a book/ rituals etc) between you and God?

As for the Christian God, people don't hear Him talk to them, simply because God doesn't do that. He has given humans free will, so He will not interfere with it. He has never done that.
In other words, it's prophets and Bible writers who have always tried to communicate with God (using their free will). Not the contrary.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
then how is the being in question all knowing and all powerful?

Are there people so dumb that even an all powerful and knowing god can't figure out how to effectively communicate with them?

Unlike the question about god making a rock he can't lift, I think this one has a clear and obvious answer.
 

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
Your reply doesn't answer the question. Teachers are far different from (claimed) prophets. Source of knowledge of the teachers (or the teachings of the teachers) can be verified, altered, and enhanced. This is not true with the (claimed) Prophets. It is to be kept fixed, unaltered, unverifiable.

The analogy is that we can not learn directly from the source when it comes to complex topics. The most complex of topics is human existence, of life, how it originated and ultimately why we're here. That answer has been given to us by the creator through Prophets throughout human history, they played the roles of teachers and leaders. Can anyone walk into Parliament and pass laws? No they can not, they must be nominated and voted in. With regards to Prophets, they are nominated and voted in by God.

Now of course, that requires a belief in God which is an entirely different discussion but if we are talking about this from a religious framework, than this is the plain and simple answer.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Wait...
An all knowing all powerful being is unable to communicate to us mere humans without interpretation issues?

Nah! Humans have problems understanding, they tend to concentrate on more mundane things. That pesky free will, don't have to listen if you don't want to.
 
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