Maybe this is something you must do, but I, myself, am under no obligation. I only offer such opportunities upon request.
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Help me I am confused what does this mean ?
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Maybe this is something you must do, but I, myself, am under no obligation. I only offer such opportunities upon request.
Kind of off-topic, but curiosity has the best of me. Would this be a spin-off of Alexandrian Witchcraft founded by Alex Sanders or is it one and the same?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You said that in one spirit, the hood slipped a little back when he looked up to the person, the spirits were of short height, and you could see a skull where the face should have been, and you saw a glint of light reflected from his cheek bones. If it was a skull, then the spirits were from Satan. Because if they were God's angels, they would have had at least reasonably acceptable faces (I do not claim that all Lord's angels are as handsome in face as Leonardo DiCaprio of Titanic in his youth, though Lord can make them even more handsome). How could these spirits enter your church when just the name of the savior is enough to cast out the demons? Were they not afraid of the presence of the savior there and that of his mother? Is not your narrative a little incongruent?
If it is all made up, it should not have been in Religions Q&A.What if all experiences were made up?
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What if all experiences were made up?
So what do you expect of us? Those that require more than another's word for any experience they might have.
Why do you require more than another's word? Of what consequence to you are the experiences of others?
It's you that has the choice to make another's experiences a part of your own or not.
If it is all made up, it should not have been in Religions Q&A.
Religions Q&A is illusory, as is any other experience in vyavaharika. Only Brahman is real.
Well it usually means I take it with a pinch of salt, file it, and usually ignore it unless there is something else that might corroborate such, especially when it might appear as proselytising, as noted by others. But I'm not going to wail about it.
Well it usually means I take it with a pinch of salt, file it, and usually ignore it unless there is something else that might corroborate such, especially when it might appear as proselytising, as noted by others. But I'm not going to wail about it.
I think there are those here that are confused by what proselytizing actually is, and they would do well to look up the definition.
I suppose. But expecting people to take things at face value when they might be fabricating them is much the same. Not that I am accusing the OP of such, of course. It's trying to present evidence for a certain position, and such things do tend to have weight for some, but not for many of us.
Not sure what you mean. Is it just that some folks lie, or are you implying some truth to the contradiction of an honest lie?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yeah, for 'advaitists', that is the truth.Religions Q&A is illusory, as is any other experience in vyavaharika. Only Brahman is real.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
I don't fear it. Just causes me to enter the space of not caring faster than others might.
I've wondered this quite a few times - if there is no actual substitute being offered, can it really be considered "proselytizing?"
February-Saturday
Devil Worshiper
The same.
mike porter
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everything i said is true i saw these things with my own eyesYou said that in one spirit, the hood slipped a little back when he looked up to the person, the spirits were of short height, and you could see a skull where the face should have been, and you saw a glint of light reflected from his cheek bones. If it was a skull, then the spirits were from Satan. Because if they were God's angels, they would have had at least reasonably acceptable faces (I do not claim that all Lord's angels are as handsome in face as Leonardo DiCaprio of Titanic in his youth, though Lord can make them even more handsome). How could these spirits enter your church when just the name of the savior is enough to cast out the demons? Were they not afraid of the presence of the savior there and that of his mother? Is not your narrative a little incongruent?
If it is all made up, it should not have been in Religions Q&A.
mike porter
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Cooky
Veteran Member
Your story gives me hope and strength. Thanks for sharing.
I will give this a try, but I can't tell you what you saw. For this vision to be for me it would have to come to me, directly. If I had the vision and told it to you, first, you could trust my interpretation, but you can't. I'm merely using classic types and typical meanings from scripture as I understand it.
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When I consider your picture that you have described, I think it symbolizes a rapid change affecting many people. It could be big or small. I think the laying on of hands of everyone means everyone is in equality -- a flattening of structure with no especially spiritual people (another indication the vision is for you personally). Heavens opening and the church coming down is a restatement of the original concept of the church. It could mean everyone goes Catholic, or it could mean all previous institutions vanish or it could mean all people are suddenly all together. The divisions don't matter both between opinion groups and authority levels. They don't affect this. Maybe they disappear, but the main thing is they are irrelevant to it -- useless. The cloud represents people in the church, both the living and the dead. Your presence in the vision is you representing what will happen to the world, what it will see. What you're seeing symbolized is what the world will or hopefully will see. The lightning means that the vision can't be accomplished through government, systems, rules.. methods, media...devices but only without hands. The change is accomplished in people rather than through people. The closeness of the figure and the fact that you were able to see it coming closer suggests that all people will incrementally perceive better..or are doing so already. That fact that its not perfectly clear is less good, but looking at it positively its an improvement
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Why have a vision about it? I think its because change means change, and so people (maybe you) will be wondering what is going on and where the change is coming from and whether its a good change. When change happens people want to know why and who is driving it and who is in control, but this change won't have anyone in control of it.
I agree with other posters that only you need to see your vision, and anyone can receive the same vision. We all feel a burning need to express to others many things, but its impossible for you to give me your vision. I'd have to have the same vision, or it would just be me. If the visions is guidance its specifically to let you know to prepare yourself -- maybe so you don't feel lost when things start changing.
mike porter
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this happen to me this year the church was full about 200 people i asked many people that question and they all said they saw and felt nothing.
Did you see them help all people above the limitation of predudices, of gender, of race, of class and of religion?
Regards Tony