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Hebrews adopted the Syriac Civilization

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by sooda, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. sooda

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    Preface

    Hebrews adopted the Syriac Civilization

    Aryold J. Toynbee wrote: {p. 423} The Hebrews (including the Moabites) adopted not only the Canaanite language but also the Phoenician alphabet for writing it. ... The discovery of the Ugarit texts shows that the Biblical Psalms, whatever their date, are indebted to a Phoenician hymnology that had a long tradition behind it.

    The Phoenicians also seem likely to have been the intermediaries through whom some of the Egyptian proverbs of Amenemope found their way into the Biblical Book of Proverbs almost verbatim. And the Canaanite origin of chapters viii-ix of the Book of Proverbs, on the theme of Wisdom, is attested by echoes here of themes in the Phoenician literature disinterred at Ugarit.

    The Sumero-Akkadian story of the creation of the World must have found its way to Palestine long before the Israelites' advent there, and must have been learnt by them from the Canaanites on whom they imposed themselves. Canaanite elements have not been detected in the eighth-century B.C. prophetic literature of Israel and Judah.

    But they reappear thereafter. 'There is a veritable flood of allusions to Canaanite (Phoenician) literature in Hebrew works composed between the seventh and the third century B.C.: e.g. in Job, Deutero-Isaiah, Proverbs, Ezekiel, Habakkuk, the Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Jubilees, and part of Daniel.

    Source: A Study of History Volume XII Reconsiderations, Oxford University Press, London 1961.

    Ugaritic Torah -- Old Testament
    Introduction

    The ancient Phoenician city-state of Ugarit is of utmost importance for those who study the Old Testament. The literature of the city and the theology contained therein go a very long way in helping to understand the meaning of various Biblical passages as well as aiding in deciphering difficult Hebrew words. Ugarit was at its political, religious and economic height around the 12th century BC and thus its period of greatness corresponds with the entry of Israel into Canaan.

    Why should people interested in the Old Testament want to know about this city and its inhabitants? Simply because when we listen to their voices we hear echoes of the Old Testament itself. Several of the Psalms were simply adapted from Ugaritic sources; the story of the flood has a near mirror image in Ugaritic literature; and the language of the Bible is greatly illuminated by the language of Ugarit.

    Note: It must be noted that in the technical sense the Torah represents the five books of Moses (the Pentateuch); however, the Torah came to be considered the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament in its entirety which included oral and written tradition or revelation of God.

    The Discovery of Ugarit and the Ugaritic Texts

    In 1928 a group of French archaeologists journeyed with 7 camels, one donkey, and some burden bearers towards the tel known as Ras Shamra.

    After a week at the site they discovered a cemetery 150 meters from the Mediterranean Sea. In the graves they discovered Egyptian and Phoenician artwork and alabaster. They also found some Mycenean and Cypriot materials.

    After the discovery of the cemetery they found a city and a royal palace about 1000 meters from the sea on a tel 18 meters high. The tel was called by the locals Ras Shamra which means "fennel hill". There also Egyptian artifacts were discovered and dated to the 2nd millennium BC.

    The greatest discovery made at the site was a collection of tablets carved with (a then) unknown cuneiform script. In 1932 the identification of the site was made when some of the tablets were deciphered; the city was the ancient and famous site of Ugarit.

    Ugarit experienced a very long history. A city was built on the site in the Neolithic period around 6000 BC. The oldest written evidence of the city is found in some texts from the nearby city of Ebla written around 1800 BC. At that time both Ebla and Ugarit were under Egyptian hegemony, which shows that the long arm of Egypt extended all along the west coast of the Eastern Mediterranean Sea. The population of Ugarit at that time was roughly 7635 people. The city of Ugarit continued to be dominated by the Egyptians through 1400 BC.

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    Torah, Ugartic Bible
     
  2. sooda

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    I would believe that and I'm glad that you included the Egyptians since i have long believed that they were a great influence due to the amount of time the Jews lived in Egypt. Along with this, I think it should be mentioned that Jesus went to India and the Himalayas. There are many historical witnesses in India and the Himalayas who report this. This would explain the fact that he was not written about by those in Israel and the Mediterranean between the ages of 13 and 30. You should do research on this too. I would love to see your full report on it.
     
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    I doubt Jesus traveled to India.

    Egypt controlled Sinai and Canaan at the time of the Exodus story.
     
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    How do we know it is not the opposite and Ugarit have Psalms as a source?
     
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    Because the Ugarit predate the Torah by 1500 years.

    The Tablets from Ugarit : Center for Online Judaic Studies
    cojs.org/the_tablets_from_ugarit_and_their_importance_for_biblical_studies-_peter_c...

    Jun 01, 2008 · The Tablets from Ugarit and Their Importance for Biblical Studies, Peter C. Craigie, BAR 9:05, Sep-Oct 1983. For 40 years Claude Schaeffer directed excavations at Ras Shamra in Syria. There he and his colleagues uncovered the remains of the long lost city of Ugarit, a Late Bronze Age metropolis in early Biblical times.
     
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    I consider it an evolved religion,language, and culture not one culture or tribe adapting another.
     
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    Not exactly. The Ugaritic language is related to Hebrew as well as Aramaic and Phoenician. And, yes, there are echoes of Ugaritic words and folklore in Hebrew Scriptures, such as the mention of “Danel”, which some attribute to Ugaritic. However while they are sister languages it is too far a stretch to claim Hebrew came from Ugaritic. And culturally the Israelites are fundamentally different from the Ugaritic culture.
     
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    Torah means first five books of OT. Some claim it was created prior creation of the world. Why should I believe you?
     
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