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Heaven, Hell, and Economic System for Christians

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
If heaven and hell are real, would heaven be socialist or communist?

Would god basically own everything, and thus everything is lent based on merit?

Would hell be capitalistic? a place where everyone was constantly in competition to be the top dog?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
With a god as sole owner heaven will be a dictatorship. Or meritocracy
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I'm thinking feudalism with God owning everything and maybe grating titles/responsibilities.

Socialism would require equity with God.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
We Christians believe in Hell and in Heaven.

Those who exploited their neighbor, through unfair labor practices, through usury...
Those who stockpiled billions by horrific means, destroying currencies, destroying nations, ...they will certainly not see God's light in the afterlife.

They had the chance to be good and they wasted it.
So yes...anything about merit.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
If heaven and hell are real, would heaven be socialist or communist?

Would god basically own everything, and thus everything is lent based on merit?

Would hell be capitalistic? a place where everyone was constantly in competition to be the top dog?

Capitalist and socialist are too vague words nowadays. And I think it is better to understand, eternal life is for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

So, to understand what it is like, it would be good to understand what kind of people righteous people are. One example of it is:

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

I think this also tells something about it:

the Kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Romans 14:17

But, I don’t think that means merit-based things could not exist. I think righteous person understands that if someone has done a good job, he deserves a good reward for it.

who “will pay back to everyone according to their works:”
Romans 2:6

I don’t think heaven will be socialist, because then there would be one selfish ruler who makes everyone work for him, as it seems to be in socialism always.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Capitalist and socialist are too vague words nowadays. And I think it is better to understand, eternal life is for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

So, to understand what it is like, it would be good to understand what kind of people righteous people are. One example of it is:

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

I think this also tells something about it:

the Kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Romans 14:17

But, I don’t think that means merit-based things could not exist. I think righteous person understands that if someone has done a good job, he deserves a good reward for it.

who “will pay back to everyone according to their works:”
Romans 2:6

I don’t think heaven will be socialist, because then there would be one selfish ruler who makes everyone work for him, as it seems to be in socialism always.

So...does this mean that a "righteous person from the birth" is allowed to do anything, and if he sins (kills a person for example), God will not count that as "sin"?
 

muhammad_isa

Well-Known Member
We Christians believe in Hell and in Heaven.

Those who exploited their neighbor, through unfair labor practices, through usury...
Those who stockpiled billions by horrific means, destroying currencies, destroying nations, ...they will certainly not see God's light in the afterlife.
..unless they repent, of course.
..but yes, I agree that these actions result in hell .. in this life and the next.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
So...does this mean that a "righteous person from the birth" is allowed to do anything, and if he sins (kills a person for example), God will not count that as "sin"?

No. Righteous person doesn’t want to do wrong/unlawful things, because he understands that it is not good or right and don’t want that.

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified (for when Gentiles who don't have the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying with them, and their thoughts among themselves accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my gospel, by Jesus Christ.
Romans 2:12-16
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
No. Righteous person doesn’t want to do wrong/unlawful things, because he understands that it is not good or right and don’t want that.

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified (for when Gentiles who don't have the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying with them, and their thoughts among themselves accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my gospel, by Jesus Christ.
Romans 2:12-16

This woman is a historian. She considers herself a true Christian, and she criticizes the Prime Minister of her own country for conducting an unchristian life.
Quote: "Dear Prime Minister, why don't you retire yourself to Umbria? You have already been the Goldman Sachs' servant, all life long.
Did they blackmail you for being PM?
What do you think? You think that you will be able to carry all the money you have been stockpiling at cost of people's sake, with you, to Hell?
No, you will go to Hell without a dime. And it will remain that way."



 

1213

Well-Known Member
This woman is a historian. She considers herself a true Christian, and she criticizes the Prime Minister of her own country for conducting an unchristian life.
...

Interesting, I don’t know is the accusations correct, but when person accuses and judges, it would be good to be correct about the claims.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Interesting, I don’t know is the accusations correct, but when person accuses and judges, it would be good to be correct about the claims.

What if she is correct?

I really wonder if these people believe they will be able to carry all that money to the Afterlife.
 
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