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Featured Heaven and Capitalism

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jul 28, 2021.

  1. Fool

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    can heaven be compatible with capitalism?


    can self serving be compatible with peace; when self is profiting off of the needs of other as self?


    can promoting division bring about harmony? can all ever be as one under such a state?


     
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    Never.
     
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    I thought the Bible was clear on this ....

    "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".
     
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    Would business be unnecessary because God gives
    everyone what they want?
    Or would business be banned, ie, no free economic
    association in Heaven?

    It would be awful without some entrepreneurship.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I have not been to heaven :) but my understanding is that all that is needed is a righteous thought and it appear. But money is a human thing.
     
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    Sounds too good to be true.
    The dream might turn out to be a sweatshop. You might
    be making pearly gates, clouds, harps, wings, robes, & such.
    Or you might be rented out to Satan stoking furnaces, or
    cleaning algae from the Lake Of Fire, & Hot Tub Of Tabasco.
    This cannot be disproven.
     
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    What do you think capitalism means?
     
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    What I believe and what is really in heaven is probably very different indeed
     
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    but it doesn't really explain why its harder. doesn't say it's impossible. just says it's harder
     
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    it means to use upper case instead of lower case.


    but in this case it's to take "advantage" of something
     
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    Capitalism is a way for us to take care of our own needs. In heaven I thought God would be taking care of our needs.

    Yes
    Sorry, I don't know what this last part means. "as self"

    Nope, don't know what this has to do with capitalism though.
     
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    Critics of capitalism tend to see only the much hated
    competition. But they miss the extensive cooperation.
    I could never run a business without the many people
    I serve & who serve me...all voluntarily.
     
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    so in chapter two of genesis we see where man is working and hasn't yet fallen in eden/heaven.

    in chapter three we see where man has fallen and must go upon his stomach and by the sweat of his brow work

    even god works based on the analogy.


    so the problem isn't work.
     
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    capitalism isn't a problem until its used as an advantage over other, to continuously horde resources against other as self. everyone has needs but once that need is met then it turns into gluttony


    i'm not a dualist. i'm already here. i can understand how other as self might not be





    a word used instead of a personal pronoun to mean a person, like saying soul. its an idea of understanding the self from an objective view, like being self-conscious
     
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    I'm sure the fact that people need the money from their work to eat and shelter themselves has absolutely no impact on their completely voluntary desire to work for you.
     
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    There is good competition and bad competition. Capitalism has both but bad competition is destructive to even capitalism.

    I think most of what people hate about capitalism are the very things that cause capitalism to fail. Capitalist ought to be among the first to hate the things which cause capitalism to fail.

    I don't recall capitalism ever being taught is school. Maybe in college but I don't think it was a required course. Though everyone seems aware of he Marxist view of capitalism.
     
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    There is no free lunch in life.
    In every system that ever existed, only monarchs have
    been exempted from being compelled to work for a living.
    And even they had duties.
    In capitalism, we're compelled by desire, as opposed to
    other systems wherein threat of prison compels work.
    And we get to choose which work & for whom.
     
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    Which is inherently harmful to capitalism.


    So then "this" is heaven? In which case capitalism is here too.

    Ok, well I don't see a problem with profiting off the needs of another person because you are fulfilling their needs at the same time. Everyone wins.
     
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    All economic systems can develop bad traits. So that criticism
    cannot justify favoring one over another. We must look to real
    world examples of the combinations of economic & government
    systems. Which ones are best? Which are worst?
    It's the empirical approach.
    Taking this view, capitalism with democracy offers best results.
    Not having capitalism has been universally dismal.
     
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