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Featured He is Risen - The Evidence

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by nPeace, May 20, 2021.

  1. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    Oh good. Done. Easy.
    No. Actually, that's like saying prove that you went to the bathroom exactly one million times during your lifetime.
    In other words, provide proof that every single account in the Bible can be verified by us.
    We call those strawman arguments.
     
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    Maybe you didn't read the post? No resurrection occured then.
     
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    Why not? You could say the same about Islam which looks like it is going to eventually pass Christianity. I don't see anything all that special.

    And Hunter S. Thompson was a fan of the KJV? Are you serious?
     
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    No, that is not a strawman argument.
     
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    Hunter S Thompson turned me onto the KJV, over 30 years ago. Can’t find my copy of Generation of Swine, but here you go...

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    No. Its called "prove the book is valid source of history".

    Going to the bathroom a million times is irrelevant.
     
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    This post is supposed to be convincing?? This reads more like an exercise to convince the ingroup of their righteousness than anything else. I wonder why such an exercise at self justification is needed?
    If God does not care about those who do not believe in the resurrection, we do not care about it either. The idea of a secret resurrection in a completely different body so that only those select who really believed could sense it, and that too only for a brief few days before ascension to heavens is supposed to be convincing? If you wish to believe this personally on faith and personal experience, fine. But don't say there is any sort of convincing public evidence here , as that will be patently false.
     
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    Colonial conquests?
     
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    In part, certainly.

    But that doesn’t explain it’s enduring capacity to inspire and infuriate in equal measure
     
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    I do not see it as particularly special. Islam will soon have more adherents than Christianity. Newer religions are also there that are growing quickly. The explosive growth of Christianity outside Europe happened due to the expansion of European powers in the new world, Africa, Australia and Asia. In this way the growth is EXACTLY similar to the growth of European languages like English, Spanish Portuguese throughout the world. People follow the culture, language and religion of the dominant powers at a given point in history. Nothing strange or unexpected about that.
     
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  11. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Do you know the meaning of independent?

    The biblical gospels confirming themselves most definitely isn't it.

    Please provide links to some of these independent sources you claim, they were not in the OP and skirted around in passing in your reply here.


    Yes the crucifixion of whi you see as worthy of your faith and i see as a terrorist seems to have occurred. As to "he is risen" not so much
     
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    The story of the woman caught in adultery is a later insertion here, missing from all early Greek manuscripts. A Western text-type insertion, attested mainly in Old Latin translations, it is found in different places in different manuscripts: here, or after Jn 7:36 or at the end of this gospel, or after Lk 21:38, or at the end of that gospel. There are many non-Johannine features in the language, and there are also many doubtful readings within the passage. The style and motifs are similar to those of Luke, and it fits better with the general situation at the end of Lk 21: but it was probably inserted here because of the allusion to Jer 17:13 (cf. note on Jn 8:6) and the statement, “I do not judge anyone,” in Jn 8:15. The Catholic Church accepts this passage as canonical scripture.
     
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    Do you believe in re-incarnation? If so, I’ll have a bet with you that, 1000 years from now, people will still read the Bible. And the Bhagavad Gita. And the Quran.
     
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    I do not claim there is convincing public evidence that reincarnation happens.
    How about 5000 years from now? 1000 years is not a lot of time for a complete overhaul of the main players of human civilization.
     
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    Even 5000 years is but the blinking of an eye. Let’s make it 10000

    Though it is by no means certain that humanity will still exist even 100 years from now. And if the crows build the next civilisation - crows are very smart - they will probably create their own sacred texts.
     
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    I don't have a clue on what crows will do. If cats build the civilization, they will probably worship themselves though... ;)
     
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    The passage describes the saints getting up out of their tombs, going into the city and appearing before people.

    Are you seriously suggesting that a hypothetical earthquake that opened some tombs matches this description?
     
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    It's a darn shame to invest so much work in using a fairy
    tale & believers in the fairy tale to prove the same fairy tale.
    It is indeed reasonable to dismiss such an argument.
     
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    This speaks to a point you made in the OP: that Jesus's resurrection could have been missed by many because it was hard to recognize the resurrected Jesus as Jesus.

    Even if that were true, we would still expect people to notice when an army of dead people emerge from their tombs, walk into the city, and appear before "many people."

    Sure. So show me where people did wave it off as nonsense.

    Show me the passage in Josephus or the Talmud or whatever that says something like "the false prophet Jesus staged a fake zombie invasion of Jerusalem. It frightened many, but was condemned as trickery"... or "many dead saints walked into the city. The followers of Jesus claimed that he had also been resurrected, but Jesus was not seen among the dead that walked through Jerusalem."

    ... anything like that.

    Do you at least agree that if "many" dead people rise from the grave, walk into the city and are seen by "many" people, this is the sort of event that should get noticed by chroniclers?
     
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    The Court Case is coming we are only in the deposition stage. I’m one of the witnesses.
     
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