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Hatred for the Name

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  1. Fool

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    Luke 21:17


    am i this i am?


    is oneness a hated game because of the envious? because of vanity? because that which is divided from god is doomed to fail?
     
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    I see the rejection of what is from God is doomed to failure.

    I do see that we need to acknowledge out Oneness, that no human is above another and all deserve the same rights. At the same time we need to look after the place we live.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I think there was animosity between the Jewish leadership and the followers of Jesus. Not sure there is any reason to assume anything beyond that.

    I don't think anyone hates Christians because of the name Jesus. They hate/dislike Christian because of their actions. Maybe some Christian like to deflect animosity towards them onto the name of Jesus but more than likely it is a reflection directly on their behavior.

    Christians might think they are hated because they are Christian. Nope, it is because they are acting like a dick.
     
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    the rejection of love is definitely a path to a troubled state for the wayfaring traveler
     
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    the name isn't jesus. it's exodus 3:14


    to know god is to know self.


    1 John 4:4
     
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    I'm not fond of that name, I sometimes wonder if "I Am" was an edit which scratched out the name as being too holy or sacred or dangerous as a taboo, leaving only "I am" and not dissimilar to other taboos like pronouncing YHWH as "Adonai / Adonay" or the modern G-D thing some people do or calling God "Ha Shem" meaning " The Name ".

    I don't think "I Am" was even the name, even though it sounds cool and profound now.
     
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    Luke 21:17 isn't this Jesus talking to his disciples?

    So where is "I Am" hated?

    In fact where is oneness in the Bible? Is oneness even a Christian idea?
     
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    the name that signifies that he is the lord. a prophet was told to go to the people in the name. exodus 3:14-15


    that is the name of names( Philippians 2:9) , the name that is told not to take in vain. that is the name in the foreheads of the 144,000. that is the ha-Shem.

    that is why the jews wish to stone him for claiming to be the begotten of god.

    that is the "Hallowed be thy name"


    i've been ranting about this for years. UGH


    psalms 118:26

    matthew 23:39
     
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    exodus 3:14 is a verb. niv says the word lord sounds like and may be related to the word in 3:14. the lexicon shows that the word yehovah is derived from the root word in 3:14.

    the name that can be named/defined is not the enduring one. this is the indefinite tao, the unformed but everlasting
     
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    I agree with God having no real name, names as just ways to refer back to God, and a things being "words" and all words being things which can be used to refer back to God.

    I've never been fond of YHWH either and don't really recognize it as anything, similar to "I AM", though people consider these highly spiritual, I consider them the most artificial and false, and that better results are garnered by "real names", even like those in username, which have meanings and references which are more clear and are epithets.

    Elh, Eloah, Allah, all pronounced Uhluh, whatever, thats a real powerful name. Adonai works and is more powerful than "YahWay".

    Odin, Wuothan, Thorrr, Thuunearrr, all these work.

    yuhoowahay works better than YahWay, Eeyah works better than both.
     
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    i've heard it expressed as the Infinite I too
     
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    Yeah, but in invoking "Infinite I" the potency is extremely low seeming. Calling upon Zann or Loptr (Lohfthrr) or just (Lohfth), calling upon Allah, even Mikkal, Nrgallu, all these have an apparent degree of potency. It could be that the potency of terms like "Infinite I" and "I Am" are so diluted seeming because of how such terms might be used so frequently to refer to other things in regular speech, such as our own mundane body and activities.

    The pronounced "I" or "Eye" has more potency seemingly when referring to ourselves probably due to the frequency with which its used that way, but to refer to the power(s) it seems dilute and very weak as far as I've found it.

    "I hate you" as in "Hate From Me" seems more powerful than "I Am Will Curse You" or "YaHWaY is God"

    Aplu has power, Hadu.

    There are "Barbaric Names" but these often also seem artificial and with little potency or real reference. Its almost like dialing phone numbers that are not in service.

    I think what a name requires is probably strong and clear definition, meaning, reference, truth.

    Varuna (Waaroon') has meaning, refers to something which is true and real.

    YHWH, almost seems to be an artificial construct, a made up God invented to compete with the Nations without knowing or understanding how those nations had magic and words. The description of YHWH in the Bible is also that of a false God, walking around, coming down in a literal cloud, its like people who didn't understand the symbolism and stories and made up what they think would be the case but had poor understandings.

    I think they knew about God, El, but wanted to make their own exclusive God out of envy of the other nations, like Asoora and Ahura Mazd', both names which are like one have potency, YHWH doesn't seem to.

    Yw has some more potency than YahWay. Yuhmmu or Yuhmmoh has even more potency.

    Oogh or Ohgh has more potency, Shariqaan has more potency.

    The Jews apparently only very rarely even ever pronounced YHWH and only said Adthonai which means Lord and has total potency, because its a phone number that calls upon the real Lord even if its not what they are thinking of or they are trying to call Yahway which though it refers to the God it seems to be some artificially constructed version and name and lacking the oomf or wattage the others seem to have.

    Jehovah, weirdly enough, has more potency than Yahway, and it could be that the pronounciation is closer to being right or the ideas it links to are better, Yehowuh.

    YHWH written in Hebrew Script or Paleo-Hebrew script seems more potent also and has acquired a sufficient seeming referential charge and repeated usage.

    Tao is less potent than Dao or Thao almost like Thou. The Tao is more potent than Tao, Way, the sound "way" even if not connected to the English word Way or even if it is seems sufficiently powerful. I think it must have a Chinese meaning of use as Wei.

    Ah, yes, I was right:
    From Chinese 威 (wēi) meaning"power, pomp", 巍 (wēi) meaning "high, lofty, towering" or 伟 (wěi) meaning"great, robust, extraordinary".

    So thats a word or name or Phone Number for God.

    Its no wonder I've found Wei so extremely powerful and potent.

    That would make HA WAY more powerful than Yuh Way.

    Ee Xia Wei

    "long-lasting; far-reaching" (xia 遐)

    Ea Khea Wei!
     
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    Well, though I agree, I'll give an example of something alternative too.

    I hate Mormon (LDS) Theology and find it totally bad Man-Worship. I think Mormons are good because they don't drink or fornicate (aren't supposed to). So, I literally hate Mormons for their beliefs, and not the Mormons for their conduct or conduct policies in general behavior or expectations.

    The same goes for Christians in general, but in their case its also because of the "dick behavior" frequency, but even if they were how they were supposed to be, nice people, their theology would be insulting. Just like I'm again AnkhenAten and Aten.

    (Not Trying To Convert Anyone):
    Yamanu or Amuun' is God, but he created a false God out of the word for the disc of the visible Sun. His God was a made up false God, referring to nothing that could do anything, so I hate his beliefs and him for his beliefs and spreading them.
     
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    Also, for fun, if you turn YHWH as written in Hebrew upside down it looks like Allah written in Arabic. If you mess around with "Aum" written it seems to have similar shapes and prongs as well as the archaic way of writing Tao or some similar word seems to have the same or similar shapes hidden in it.
     
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    AUM amen

    Tat tvam asi

    Ahmi yat ahmi.

    Ahea Asher Ahea

    Nuk pu Nuk

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    one portion of quote.....

    Say to the people ...I AM!....
    and they with understanding will know Whose law this is

    it is God Himself referring to that moment of Self realization

    in the beginning
     
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    I'm inspired by this thread to make a thread where I might discuss the various feelings of potency for each of the various names and terms for God used throughout the world or history or even among common words. I wonder if some people feel like saying "YahWay" really gives them chills or something.
     
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    the name of god is a verb. that is what causes the realization. in exodus 3:14 it isn't a thing. it's an action


    God Is A Not A Noun in Native America
     
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