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Hate The Government Thread

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    Asset forfeiture is one thing I too hate about the cops and how often it happens and is abused, and there is nothing about it that is a lie. It's a big reason as to why drug dealers often own nothing on paper, despite living in lavish houses and driving luxury cars. Otherwise, for pretty much any reason and only having to word things just right to relate it to the criminal activity, it all gets confiscated at the whims of police. But regular people do own things on paper, and any cash, vehicles, electronics, and so many other things are forfeit. And sometimes even if it is not owned by that person but is just there. Some countries tell their citizens to not carry cash when traveling here because of it. They can shoot and kill your dog, leave you broke, without a phone or transportation, and anything you have they want, it's theirs.
     
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    Even United Way?
     
  4. Revoltingest

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    What have they done to earn your scorn?
     
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    Take your pick....
    County, city, township, state, & all 3 federal branches.
    No, the briber is a crook.
    The bribee is government.
    But if you endure trouble from some bribed
    government minion, this could generate hatred.
    Have you been so harmed?
     
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    The indefinite article in the thread's title allows for this.
     
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    If it turns out to be legal to take away rights (eg, travel) due to some
    unfulfilled obligation (eg, debt) this would be a potentially very
    oppressive tool. This is one example. Another is a male's failure
    to register for the draft, in which case educational & financial benefits
    will be denied. It all seems very People's Republic Of Chinaesque.
    Are you comfortable allowing someone like
    Trump to expand such power over us? I'm not.
     
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    I never thought of you as one of those uber-patriotic flag waving,
    my country can do no wrong, love it or leave it types of pooches.
    There are a surprising number of government lovers on this thread!
     
  10. fantome profane

    fantome profane Have you read the Mueller Report?
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    Am I correct in thinking that your country still puts people in jail for not paying their taxes? That certainly takes away your right to travel.
     
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    For conviction of the crime of tax evasion, yes.
    But not merely for debt.
     
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    Please provide links :p
     
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    Only for the guilty.
    Heaven forbid that some innocent poster stumble upon them.
     
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    There is no right to travel.
     
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    We can move about the states, but travel to another country is not a right. The wiki article even supports the claim when it mentions the requirement of a passport for international travel. Revoking passports does not infringe upon any right.
     
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    I am reminded of Apocalypse Now.

    "We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won’t allow them to write “****” on their airplanes because it’s obscene.
     
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    I have a dislike of bureaucracy not government. Government bureaucracy in my experience is mostly due to trying to ensure fairness and eliminate the chance of poor judgement on people's parts. For example, thick books specifying how to build a home because people don't take pride in their work and instead want to use substandard materials and processes to make a few more dollars.

    Business bureaucracy I've experienced as sometimes trying to eliminate errors by forms and rules. But sometimes it's a negative attempt to avoid paying what's owed such as insurance companies denying valid health care claims to increase profits.

    So I direct my ire not at government but at the state of humanity today.
     
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    I say it's an unenumerated right, like the right to abortion or Miranda notification.
    Otherwise, government would have the power to prevent anyone from leaving
    the country, which would be unreasonable.
     
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    What are you, a Communist? We don't need your kind in 'MURICA.
     
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