Has mankind lost?

[URAVIP2ME]

The problem i see with morality is that many religious people use it as a weapon.
"You dont worship our god therefore you are immoral" or "i am more moral than you because i am a _________ (insert religion of choice here).".

A weapon or a regulation ___________
In Scripture, morality is regulated against fornication and adultery.
Just as there is human regulation against breaking human law, in Scripture there is regulation against breaking God's law. Is ' Ceasar's ' law viewed as a weapon or used as a weapon ___________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

People lost it all. Yes people are not moral anymore.

The ^ above ^ sounds as if you are in agreement with 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 because there it describes the distorted selfish self-centered love the world now displays in these last days of badness on Earth for such persons.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I do not think "modern" times is better then that time for 2000-3000 years ago when it comes to spirtuality, and honestly that is all i looking for in life. But i live now and must do the best out of what is right now

I find that what we read in Scripture agrees with the ^ above ^.
This is why in Matthew chapter 7 that Jesus informs us that few are on the narrow ( spiritual ) road.
Jesus taught what is right (moral) back then, and would remain as right and moral today.
Plus, Jesus gave us a New commandment found at John 13:34-35.
We are to have the same spirituality as Jesus showed.
We are to love God and neighbor ' more ' than self - John 4:23-24.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Could you specify a specific culture from that period?

well all i know is that was a much more spiritual time in history, there was more serious cultivation paths, the cultures was more based on spiritual aware then we are now

 

[ChristineM]

A weapon or a regulation ___________
In Scripture, morality is regulated against fornication and adultery.
Just as there is human regulation against breaking human law, in Scripture there is regulation against breaking God's law. Is ' Ceasar's ' law viewed as a weapon or used as a weapon ___________

Most definitely a weapon when they use morality to threaten children.

Now you are accusing those who dont follow your god of adultery and fornication. Why is that? Or use as a weapon? Why do you assume that human beings who dont follow your god are immoral adulterers and fonicators unless you want to use your version of morality as a weapon. In this case a blind weapon.

Gods law is not in statute. If you can prove god wrote what you consider gods law than i would to see that proof.

Ceasar existed and was leader of rome. And yes, at times it was used as a weapon

Do you expect the people of say New Zealand to be subject to the laws of Ecuador?
Then why expect people who dont believe in your version of god go follow what you consider your gods law

 

[MonkeyFire]

Morality can be conflicted between soul and duty.

 

[Salvador]

Has mankind lost morality? When this word morality are spoken about, why do so many people get aggresive and want to blame the one who ask?

To put it simply, ethics consist of the moral code, or philosophy, that guides a person’s choices and behaviors throughout their life. The idea of a moral philosophy extends beyond the individual to include what is right (and what is wrong) for the community and society at large. Ethics is concerned with rights, responsibilities, use of language, what it means to live an ethical life and how people make moral decisions.

As long as somebody neither murders anybody nor takes a significant amount of somebody else's stuff away, then they are a moralistic person in my eyes. Hence, I view most people as being moral. ....

I set the bar really low for moral standards. ....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Most definitely a weapon when they use morality to threaten children.
Now you are accusing those who dont follow your god of adultery and fornication. Why is that? Or use as a weapon? Why do you assume that human beings who dont follow your god are immoral adulterers and fonicators unless you want to use your version of morality as a weapon. In this case a blind weapon.
Gods law is not in statute. If you can prove god wrote what you consider gods law than i would to see that proof.
Ceasar existed and was leader of rome. And yes, at times it was used as a weapon
Do you expect the people of say New Zealand to be subject to the laws of Ecuador?
Then why expect people who dont believe in your version of god go follow what you consider your gods law

Since most religion, according to Scripture, is false, then yes a weapon to threaten children, children of all ages.
Look how 'Christendom ' ( so-called Christian especially since Constantine ) has abused and abuses children.
I used ' Caesar ' as a word to stand for the political powers that be at any time frame.
The moral laws of Ecuador and New Zealand should be in a relative subjection to God's absolute morality.
So, both nations ( including all others ) should have moral laws against fornication and adultery.
In Scripture the word fornication comes from the word porneia.
Porneia covers more than just fornication and adultery but would include it being wrong to have sex with an animal.
Porneia is also where we get our English word pornography, which would also be morally wrong.
Under Christ's millennial day of governing over Earth all of mankind's leanings / will be toward what is moral.
Thus, any wrong leanings or tendencies we might have now will become upright in thought and action.
What we have now is temporary, and what is permanent is forthcoming.

 

[Father Heathen]

well all i know is that was a much more spiritual time in history, there was more serious cultivation paths, the cultures was more based on spiritual aware then we are now

How would that make them more moral? Societies can still be repressive and barbarous despite being "spiritual".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

2000-3000 years ago i think, or even before

Cool with me. My ancestors (and yours) were practicing human sacrifice, infanticide, killing the elderly, etc.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When exactly do you think humanity was moral?

It never was. Humanity is humanity.

Morality is superfluous anyways.

I would have asked if Humanity was more or less ethical.

 

[ChristineM]

Since most religion, according to Scripture, is false, then yes a weapon to threaten children, children of all ages.
Look how 'Christendom ' ( so-called Christian especially since Constantine ) has abused and abuses children.
I used ' Caesar ' as a word to stand for the political powers that be at any time frame.
The moral laws of Ecuador and New Zealand should be in a relative subjection to God's absolute morality.
So, both nations ( including all others ) should have moral laws against fornication and adultery.
In Scripture the word fornication comes from the word porneia.
Porneia covers more than just fornication and adultery but would include it being wrong to have sex with an animal.
Porneia is also where we get our English word pornography, which would also be morally wrong.
Under Christ's millennial day of governing over Earth all of mankind's leanings / will be toward what is moral.
Thus, any wrong leanings or tendencies we might have now will become upright in thought and action.
What we have now is temporary, and what is permanent is forthcoming.

So are you saying yours religion is false or ever other religion is false?

You used ceasar and i am not a mindreader

Why should any country follow your law, The law writren by man in the bronze age?

So you consider those not of your faith porneicators? You made a statement, i would like to hear your excuse for insulting everyone not of your faith, i dont want an etymology lesson

 

[ChristineM]

It never was. Humanity is humanity.

Morality is superfluous anyways.

I would have asked if Humanity was more or less ethical.

I would nor agree, humanity must be inherently moral to allow the growth of civilization which in turn allowed gods to be invented and religion to flourish and steal the concept of morality. Bastardise it to exclude anyone not of their particular faith and then attack those not of whatever faith for being immoral.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So are you saying yours religion is false or ever other religion is false?
You used ceasar and i am not a mindreader
Why should any country follow your law, The law writren by man in the bronze age?
So you consider those not of your faith porneicators? You made a statement, i would like to hear your excuse for insulting everyone not of your faith, i dont want an etymology lesson

In Scripture, Jesus used ' Caesar ' to stand for the political powers that be.
I was wrong to think you would make that connection, sorry.
I never mentioned porneicators, but that in Scripture the practice of porneia is considered as wrong.
I wonder whose ' toes' Jesus stepped on when he said ' few ' in Matthew chapter 7 __________
Remember: Jesus said at Matthew 10:22 his followers would be hated .

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I would nor agree, humanity must be inherently moral to allow the growth of civilization..............

I do wonder what is inherently moral about all the children born out of wedlock, broken homes ____________
For decades now TV persons ask for money to feed starving children.
I have Not see one of those grown up former starving children saying how they were saved and are now responsibly moral persons feeding their children.
Who is responsible for making starving children _______
Who would morally have children who can't even feed oneself yet another __________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Cool with me. My ancestors (and yours) were practicing human sacrifice, infanticide, killing the elderly, etc.

The God of the Israelites forbid the Israelites to practice such things - see Jeremiah 32:35 and 2 Chronicles 28:3.

 

[ChristineM]

In Scripture, Jesus used ' Caesar ' to stand for the political powers that be.
I was wrong to think you would make that connection, sorry.
I never mentioned , but that in Scripture the practice of porneia is considered as wrong.
I wonder whose ' toes' Jesus stepped on when he said ' few ' in Matthew chapter 7 __________
Remember: Jesus said at Matthew 10:22 his followers would be hated .

In scripture jesus uses ceasar because ceasar was the guy in charge, if it had been trump scripture would have mentioned trump

I used porneicators to mean those committing porneia,i guess you are not a mind reader either

You still have not answered my question but deliberately avoided it.

Well when you ignorantly call people adulterers and fornicators simply because they dont follow your personal version of religion then i am not at all surprised that you consider people hate you.

 

[ChristineM]

I do wonder what is inherently moral about all the children born out of wedlock, broken homes ____________
For decades now TV persons ask for money to feed starving children.
I have Not see one of those grown up former starving children saying how they were saved and are now responsibly moral persons feeding their children.
Who is responsible for making starving children _______
Who would morally have children who can't even feed oneself yet another __________

Sheesh. Wedlock is a religious thing, a way to control people, it did not exist before religion. Then if people were in love they had no need to advertise the fact and have it blessed by some priest, they just got on with being together.

Poverty exist, has always existed. And if churches didnt take their percentage of the top of a family income there would be less poverty.

Havent you? Why do you expect a charity case to be beholding to you? If you have donated to the welfare of a starving child just be glad you did.

Certainly i expect no thanks for my charitable work because its charitable, i dont do it for the glory.

And still not answered the question.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

In scripture jesus uses ceasar because ceasar was the guy in charge, if it had been trump scripture would have mentioned trump
I used porneicators to mean those committing porneia,i guess you are not a mind reader either
You still have not answered my question but deliberately avoided it.
Well when you ignorantly call people adulterers and fornicators simply because they dont follow your personal version of religion then i am not at all surprised that you consider people hate you.

Yes, agree Jesus used 'Caesar ' as the ' guy in charge ' so that we can also know the 'Caesar' of any time period would be the ' guy in charge ', so to speak.
I did Not deliberately avoid but any one who practices fornication and/or adultery is adversely judged in God's eyes.
Of course, Christians would be hated for Not practicing fornication (porneia) that stands to reason.
Also, being neutral in world affairs, it also stands to reason, why Christians are hated.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Sheesh. Wedlock is a religious thing, a way to control people, it did not exist before religion. Then if people were in love they had no need to advertise the fact and have it blessed by some priest, they just got on with being together.
Poverty exist, has always existed. And if churches didnt take their percentage of the top of a family income there would be less poverty.
Havent you? Why do you expect a charity case to be beholding to you? If you have donated to the welfare of a starving child just be glad you did.
Certainly i expect no thanks for my charitable work because its charitable, i dont do it for the glory.
And still not answered the question.

Wedlock ' whether it is religious or secular ' is recognized by God. No clergy needed to officiate.
To me there is a BIG difference between control and regulate.
The world sometimes recognizes that it is best for a child to have both parents.
Poverty also exists because of lack of child support, especially on the father's part.
Jesus said poverty would be with us until the ' second coming '.
What we can do is what the neighborly good Samaritan did.
We are to broaden out, or widen out in showing practical love to help on a one-on-one basis as needed.
We don't need thanks for charitable work because our Heavenly Father will repay as per Matthew 6:1-4