Happy Halloween and Satanic

[BilliardsBall]

Yea my sister already has her posts at facebook rebuking Halloween that its of the devil up! How about those hellhouses anyone got debate about hell houses?

Any Christians believe its satanic? What about scary movies and haunted houses?
Me and my new guy friend are going to watch scary movies Halloween!

Your sister is a born again fundamentalist? Hmmm....

 

[Deeje]

Found them by acting a way contradictory to what Paul said.

Details? How does Paul contradict Jesus?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Details? How does Paul contradict Jesus?

Seriously? Even *I* know that one. For starters, Jesus commanded his followers to continue to obey *all* the Hebrew Laws of the OT.

But the heretic Paul did away with all of that-- in direct contradiction to Jesus' words.

That's a pretty hefty disconnect!

 

[sojourner]

Seriously? Even *I* know that one. For starters, Jesus commanded his followers to continue to obey *all* the Hebrew Laws of the OT.

But the heretic Paul did away with all of that-- in direct contradiction to Jesus' words.

That's a pretty hefty disconnect!

Not quite.

 

[Deeje]

Seriously? Even *I* know that one. For starters, Jesus commanded his followers to continue to obey *all* the Hebrew Laws of the OT.

But the heretic Paul did away with all of that-- in direct contradiction to Jesus' words.

That's a pretty hefty disconnect!

It never ceases to amaze me when people who know a little think they know it all. If you judge things with a surface knowledge, you will never get to the truth.

Jesus was sent only to the Jews, those who were under law. Being born Jewish obligated Jews to keep the law. Jesus did not tell them not to because there was nothing in the law that was wrong, and to speak against the law would not have encouraged Jews to follow him...it would have alienated him from them. What he did was expose the Pharisees for their ridiculously rigid adherence to minor features of the law but ignoring the more important things. He told them that they 'strained out the gnat, but gulped down camels'. It wasn't the law that was wrong...it was their interpretation of it.

He also said that keeping just two aspects of the law were the most important commands....'love of God and neighbor'. You couldn't break any law without contravening one or both of those two. So the whole law code was based on love.

When Paul was converted by a personal encounter with the resurrected Jesus....Paul was chosen because he was very different to the other apostles. None of them were educated in the recognised schools, but Paul was a Pharisee with impressive credentials and he also had Roman citizenship. Both were to be an advantage in his assignment to preach to both Jews and Gentiles. The Greeks for instance were into philosophy and this required someone with an education to address them. (Acts 17:16-31)

Right up until Jesus' death, the Jews were under the old law covenant, but at the Lord's last supper, Jesus instituted the "new covenant" which cancelled the old covenant. It did not cancel out the principles of the law however. e.g. Jesus had continued to emphasise the moral laws and the need to show love for God and neighbor.
The difference between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught, was the inclusion of Gentiles in the Christian arrangement. Peter was used to facilitate that inclusion with his instruction to go to the house of a Roman centurion named Cornelius.

But when difficulties and disputes arose between the Jewish and Gentile Christians, (especially over circumcision) the body of elders in Jerusalem convened to resolve the problem. Should Gentiles be required to get circumcised as the Jewish Christians thought they should? Acts 15:28-29 outlines their decision.

This decision was now going to bring in one set of rules for all. No complicated laws, but just the "necessary things". Circumcision was no longer required, but Jews could still stick to the law because they were Jews.....Gentiles did not have to. The observance of the Sabbath was also included in this. Gentiles did not have to adhere to Jewish law but they still had to uphold the moral laws and God's prohibition on blood.

To say that Paul taught things that Jesus didn't is very easy to explain if you don't close your mind to the facts and the time frame. Nothing Paul taught was in any way contradictory to what Jesus did.

 

[Deeje]

Somehow in all of that, you failed to understand the True Meaning of Halloween.

The true meaning of Halloween....?

The 1910 edition of The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “All Souls’ Day . . . the day set apart in the Roman Catholic Church for the commemoration of the faithful departed. The celebration is based on the doctrine that the souls of the faithful which at death have not been cleansed from venial sins, or have not atoned for past transgressions, cannot attain the Beatific Vision, and that they may be helped to do so by prayer and by the sacrifice of the mass. . . . Certain popular beliefs connected with All Souls’ Day are of pagan origin and immemorial antiquity. Thus the dead are believed by the peasantry of many Catholic countries to return to their former homes on All Souls’ night and partake of the food of the living.”—Vol. I, p. 709.

The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead (called Samhain), whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”—(1977), Vol. 13, p. 725.

The book The Worship of the Dead points to this origin: “The mythologies of all the ancient nations are interwoven with the events of the Deluge . . . The force of this argument is illustrated by the fact of the observance of a great festival of the dead in commemoration of the event, not only by nations more or less in communication with each other, but by others widely separated, both by the ocean and by centuries of time. This festival is, moreover, held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz., the seventeenth day of the second month—the month nearly corresponding with our November.” (London, 1904, Colonel J. Garnier, p. 4) Thus these celebrations actually began with an honoring of people whom God had destroyed because of their badness in Noah’s day.—Gen. 6:5-7; 7:11.

Such holidays honoring “spirits of the dead” as if they were alive in another realm are contrary to the Bible’s description of death as a state of complete unconsciousness.—Eccl. 9:5, 10; Ps. 146:4.

Holidays — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Immortality of the human soul is not a Bible teaching.

You know, all those movies talking about the True Meaning of Christmas? Well Halloween has one too.

Oh, the true meaning of Christmas?...has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

Regarding the origin of Christmas and the day of Christ’s birth, note the following comments from religious and historical sources:

“Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church.”—The Catholic Encyclopedia.

“The first mention of the celebration of Christmas occurred in A.D. 336 in an early Roman calendar.”—The World Book Encyclopedia.

“The observance of Christmas is not of divine appointment, nor is it of N[ew] T[estament] origin. The day of Christ’s birth cannot be ascertained from the N. T., or, indeed, from any other source. The fathers of the first three centuries do not speak of any special observance of the nativity.”—Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, by McClintock and Strong.

“Inexplicable though it seems, the date of Christ’s birth is not known. The Gospels indicate neither the day nor the month.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

If Christmas were important for Christians, would not Jesus or his disciples have mentioned it? Also, the Bible tells us: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial . . . that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) If Christmas were of divine origin, would not God have inspired the Bible writers to say something about it so that Christians could be “completely equipped for every good work”?

The Bible doesn't mention Christmas because it is not a Christian doctrine or practice. Nowhere in the New Testament was a special day called Christmas set apart to celebrate the birth of Christ. . . .

Christmas is connected to the god Mythra, not Jesus.
“The Romans’ favorite festival was Saturnalia, which began on December 17 and ended with the ‘birthday of the unconquered sun’ (Natalis solis invicti) on December 25. Somewhere in the second quarter of the fourth century, savvy officials of the church of Rome decided December 25 would make a dandy day to celebrate the birthday of the ‘sun of righteousness.’ Christmas was born.” (US Catholic)
New Catholic Encyclopedia says: “On Dec. 25, 274, [Roman emperor] Aurelian had proclaimed the sun-god [Mithras] principal patron of the empire . . . Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was particularly strong at Rome.”

The book Celebrations states: “The clergy eventually brought the . . . world of the Saturnalia into the Church itself.”

And the Encyclopædia Britannica notes that December 25 was regarded “as the birth date of the . . . [sun] god Mithra.”

Christmas—Is It Christian? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Is a picture emerging here?

The candy is a treat. In other words, the day you are waiting for remembering those who died for the spread of Christianity, children despite secular society, are still keeping the custom of laughing in the face of death, and things may seem scary but there is a treat at the end.

Nonsense. On the full moon closest to November 1, the ancient Celts of Britain and Ireland celebrated their festival of Samhain. They believed that during this festival, spirits of the dead returned to earth. People put out food and drink so that the spirits would not harm them. When children today dress in costumes and go from house to house saying “Trick or treat,” they do not realize that they are imitating this ancient demonic custom. If they do not get their "treat" then they will get a "trick" played on them.

This is a terrible article, it obscures actual meaning and sterilizes everything.

You don't think these celebrations need to be sterilized and exposed for what they really are? God was around to see the originals...you think he forgets, especially when he forbade his people to imitate the pagan nations in their religious festivals. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18)

This is the Holy Evening before the celebration of those who came before, and rather than anything Satanic, it's an opportunity to tell people sacred history.

Sorry but there is nothing "holy" about any of it.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Not quite.

"I have come to fulfill the law" is pretty direct.

And "Not one jot shall be removed" is also pretty succinct.

Meanwhile the heretic Paul advised that *none* of the laws applied....

You can't get much more opposite.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It never ceases to amaze me when people who know a little think they know it all. I.

Irony duly noted, considering the source-- and how certain you appear to be here...

 

[sojourner]

"I have come to fulfill the law" is pretty direct.

And "Not one jot shall be removed" is also pretty succinct.

Meanwhile the heretic Paul advised that *none* of the laws applied....

You can't get much more opposite.

Jesus also healed on the sabbath and allowed his disciples to pluck grain. Additionally, he asserted that the whole law depends upon love of God and neighbor.

Paul said that the law was fulfilled in Jesus. Not a refutation, but an extension.

 

[sojourner]

The true meaning of Halloween....?

The 1910 edition of The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “All Souls’ Day . . . the day set apart in the Roman Catholic Church for the commemoration of the faithful departed. The celebration is based on the doctrine that the souls of the faithful which at death have not been cleansed from venial sins, or have not atoned for past transgressions, cannot attain the Beatific Vision, and that they may be helped to do so by prayer and by the sacrifice of the mass. . . . Certain popular beliefs connected with All Souls’ Day are of pagan origin and immemorial antiquity. Thus the dead are believed by the peasantry of many Catholic countries to return to their former homes on All Souls’ night and partake of the food of the living.”—Vol. I, p. 709.

The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead (called Samhain), whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”—(1977), Vol. 13, p. 725.

The book The Worship of the Dead points to this origin: “The mythologies of all the ancient nations are interwoven with the events of the Deluge . . . The force of this argument is illustrated by the fact of the observance of a great festival of the dead in commemoration of the event, not only by nations more or less in communication with each other, but by others widely separated, both by the ocean and by centuries of time. This festival is, moreover, held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz., the seventeenth day of the second month—the month nearly corresponding with our November.” (London, 1904, Colonel J. Garnier, p. 4) Thus these celebrations actually began with an honoring of people whom God had destroyed because of their badness in Noah’s day.—Gen. 6:5-7; 7:11.

Such holidays honoring “spirits of the dead” as if they were alive in another realm are contrary to the Bible’s description of death as a state of complete unconsciousness.—Eccl. 9:5, 10; Ps. 146:4.

Holidays — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Immortality of the human soul is not a Bible teaching.



Oh, the true meaning of Christmas?...has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

Regarding the origin of Christmas and the day of Christ’s birth, note the following comments from religious and historical sources:

“Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church.”—The Catholic Encyclopedia.

“The first mention of the celebration of Christmas occurred in A.D. 336 in an early Roman calendar.”—The World Book Encyclopedia.

“The observance of Christmas is not of divine appointment, nor is it of N[ew] T[estament] origin. The day of Christ’s birth cannot be ascertained from the N. T., or, indeed, from any other source. The fathers of the first three centuries do not speak of any special observance of the nativity.”—Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, by McClintock and Strong.

“Inexplicable though it seems, the date of Christ’s birth is not known. The Gospels indicate neither the day nor the month.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

If Christmas were important for Christians, would not Jesus or his disciples have mentioned it? Also, the Bible tells us: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial . . . that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) If Christmas were of divine origin, would not God have inspired the Bible writers to say something about it so that Christians could be “completely equipped for every good work”?

The Bible doesn't mention Christmas because it is not a Christian doctrine or practice. Nowhere in the New Testament was a special day called Christmas set apart to celebrate the birth of Christ. . . .

Christmas is connected to the god Mythra, not Jesus.
“The Romans’ favorite festival was Saturnalia, which began on December 17 and ended with the ‘birthday of the unconquered sun’ (Natalis solis invicti) on December 25. Somewhere in the second quarter of the fourth century, savvy officials of the church of Rome decided December 25 would make a dandy day to celebrate the birthday of the ‘sun of righteousness.’ Christmas was born.” (US Catholic)
New Catholic Encyclopedia says: “On Dec. 25, 274, [Roman emperor] Aurelian had proclaimed the sun-god [Mithras] principal patron of the empire . . . Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was particularly strong at Rome.”

The book Celebrations states: “The clergy eventually brought the . . . world of the Saturnalia into the Church itself.”

And the Encyclopædia Britannica notes that December 25 was regarded “as the birth date of the . . . [sun] god Mithra.”

Christmas—Is It Christian? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Is a picture emerging here?



Nonsense. On the full moon closest to November 1, the ancient Celts of Britain and Ireland celebrated their festival of Samhain. They believed that during this festival, spirits of the dead returned to earth. People put out food and drink so that the spirits would not harm them. When children today dress in costumes and go from house to house saying “Trick or treat,” they do not realize that they are imitating this ancient demonic custom. If they do not get their "treat" then they will get a "trick" played on them.



You don't think these celebrations need to be sterilized and exposed for what they really are? God was around to see the originals...you think he forgets, especially when he forbade his people to imitate the pagan nations in their religious festivals. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18)



Sorry but there is nothing "holy" about any of it.

Weak.

 

[Dragonslayer]

Gozer the Traveller - he will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants, they chose a new form for him - that of a giant Sloar! Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of a Sloar that day, I can tell you!

All of that stuff is the doctrine of Demons, there is only one truth and the rest is all lies from the wicked realm.
There are 40,000 officially recognized religions and only one true one. Of all the prophets and gods, only One claimed and proved that he it the truth. Christ is the only One who proved that he is God by His miracles, witness and teaching.

All the other gods are actually Demons posing as gods, Christ warned us that many false prophets would come after Him to deceive the whole world. He said they would even attempt to deceive the elect of God, if it were possible. But Gods truth is in His elect people so, we can't be deceived. The truth liberates true believers from error and the lies of Satan and His Demons.

All I can do is warn you, that your enemy is very powerful and very intelligent. No man can match Him in any way, He is far more intelligent and He appeals to your desires and He knows exactly how to deceive you. The only hope you have of escaping His power over you is to turn to Christ and repent of your sins and ask Him to be the Lord of your life.

Christ said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me", so He is the only way to God and the only hope we have of salvation. If there was another way, He would have told us but it's perfectly clear that He is the only way and there is no other god. Christ said that he is the God who created everything that exists.

I would urge you to forsake all other teachers and religions and come to Christ in repentance and trust Him with your life, He is the only One who is worthy of our worship because He suffered unimaginable pain to save everyone who believes in Him. Christ said that he would save everyone who believes in Him, so that's all you need to do. Simply believe in Him and you shall be saved.

 

[Father Heathen]

Halloween originates from the pre-christian Galic festival of Samhain, which celebrated the end of harvest season. "Satan" was foreign and unfamiliar to their beliefs.
Anyway, the ridiculous hysterics make it easy to decide whose house gets egged and TPed.

 

[SomeRandom]

Halloween originates from the pre-christian Galic festival of Samhain, which celebrated the end of harvest season. "Satan" was foreign and unfamiliar to their beliefs.
Anyway, the ridiculous hysterics make it easy to decide whose house gets egged and TPed.

Indeed. Did the so called Pagans even have a Satan equivalent?

 

[Deeje]

Irony duly noted, considering the source-- and how certain you appear to be here...

The "source" of that information is the Catholic church itself....and various encyclopedias.....not good enough eh? It has to be the word according to Bob then?

 

[Father Heathen]

Indeed. Did the so called Pagans even have a Satan equivalent?

It just boils down to dishonest and feeble attempts to reframe anything of non-christian origin as "satanic", actual history be damned.
Such willful ignorance demonstrates why their beliefs don't deserve to be taken seriously.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The "source" of that information is the Catholic church itself....and various encyclopedias.....not good enough eh? It has to be the word according to Bob then?

LOL! I can read what is written in the bible. I have no need for some self-identified "expert" to "explain" that it doesn't say what is written but is 100% the opposite!

So yeah... not good enough: those people have an agenda-- to keep you under the indoctrination, so you keep giving them money.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Halloween is a Christian holiday.

 

[Deeje]

Halloween is a Christian holiday.

Can we have some evidence for that....historians seem to disagree with you.

 

[Father Heathen]

Can we have some evidence for that....historians seem to disagree with you.

All saint's day?
A lot of cultures have had holidays around autumn equnox, and modern Halloween tends to be an innocent blend of many of these, none of which are "satanic".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Can we have some evidence for that....historians seem to disagree with you.

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