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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Oct 6, 2018.

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  1. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Quoting the Bible randomly doesn’t constitute either truth or a decent argument. Koresh and Jones and Manson quoted the Bible. The KKK quotes the Bible. One can misuse the texts by quoting them. As it’s clear you’ve done here.
     
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    This simply isn’t true.
     
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  3. Shadow Wolf

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    My position as an experienced behavioral health professional.
    Sometimes they do. Things like fatigue, which can be brought on from insomnia and numerous mental illnesses, does manifest itself through numerous physical symptoms such as decreased cognitive ability, more easily confused, and elevated blood pressure.

    And do you realize it is "mental health," don't you? Someone with schizophrenia won't have any physical symptoms to display this, but their brain is very askew in it's processing.
    Genetics, chemical imbalances, brain structure - you have here declared your utter ignorance of mental health to say there is no biochemical reason. SSRIs themselves act on neurotransmitters to inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, a neurochemical naturally and normally produced in the brain.

    The brain is already not functioning normally by this point. That's why it's called an "illness." Just as the body isn't functioning normally when someone has hepatitis.

    In the case of bipolar disorder, that's somewhat accurate as mood stabilizers and anti-depressants are used to keep someone stable and help keep them from flying off into mania or falling into depression. But distracting them? Try telling that so someone with ADHD who can actually focus and not be distracted when they take stimulants.

    I've known a couple paranoid schizophrenics who without their medications are constantly in and out of jail and inpatient/acute care hospital units. On their meds they can function well enough to stay out of those places and even hold down some forms of employment.


    The reason I'm saying this is I have degrees, training, and experience in the field of mental health. Your words are not only very dangerous, you completely ignore the fact that a number of mental illnesses and disorders are manifest at or before birth, and there is a genetic factor at play for many of them. Such as, I was born autistic, a brain scan would show these abnormal developments in my brain. But at the same time schizophrenia does not run in my family so that one was extremely unlikely to present itself in me when I was at the age it normally shows up if it's going to, and due to the lack of a genetic factor I feel very confident in saying I'll die without developing it.
     
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    His offer is free in the sense that we don't have to suffer the penalty our sin deserves, but your right. We become His prisoners and we lose our free will and we will suffer persecution and even death for His names sake.

    That said, you must consider what we gain. We gain eternal life in paradise and we are given all the riches of the universe and we are given super powers. The alternative is eternal torment in hell fire, go figure!!!
     
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    According to you, but that's OK I'm sure your not any kind of authority and nobody takes your opinion into consideration.
     
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    We don't believe in Psychology, we have identified it as a false science. It has attempted to replace Godly counseling with Pagan counseling and it's result is devastating. Since the invention of psychology, society has declined into total depravity and crime has risen to staggering heights.

    You can't replace Gods wisdom with fallen mans wisdom and expect a good outcome, the result is always destructive. Psychiatrists are responsible for drugging society into a dangerous stupor, and they are responsible for all the mass shootings at schools and 90% of the crime. We have hard evidence showing the crime rates before these wicked people poisoned society and bewitched them with their sorcery.

    I have seen the evidence so I know the truth, they cause mental illness then they sell their poison to treat it. Just as the pharmaceutical companies, pay food producers to poison the food supply so they can sell their poison to keep people dependent on their poison and make lots of money.

    All the people at my Church have been given the truth about the medical industry and everyone has stopped using anti depressants, pain killers and all other medications and replaced them with fresh organic food and they all say that their lives have improved 100%. Our pastor is very healthy mentally and physically, he is always teaching us that physical and mental (spiritual) health are directly effected by what we believe.

    The Bible says everyone who trusts in man is cursed and they will suffer destruction, you are trying to convince me that man has the answers to his spiritual problems so you are trying to bring me under the curse you're under. I have seen "mentally ill" people who use lots of medication come into our Church and after they learn the truth and we pray for them they stop using all medication and we see miraculous healing and they become normal people.

    All "mental illness" originates from a spiritual illness called sinful living, the Gods Word the Bible says that one of the gifts every believer receives when the believe is a sound mind. Unbelievers are all spiritually tormented by their sin and many have opened themselves up to evil spirits who oppress them and give them no rest. Jesus calls unbelievers as heavily burdened people who have no rest, He invites them to come to Him and He will give them rest.

    I'm not talking about those people who are born severely disabled, with down syndrome and things like that. They are born that way because of sin, sin has bought all kinds of diseases, wars and relationship breakdowns into the world. Disease is the direct result of sin, it's a reminder that we live in a fallen world but Christ is coming back to destroy this world and create a new world where there will be no more disease or sin.

    I have a friend who is a qualified psychologist, he admitted that they are not trained to solve any problems. Their main aim is to keep their clients coming back so they can continue to make money. He said that he has the solution for many of the people he deals with but he won't give them the solution or he would never see them again.

    He admitted that psychology is a straw man,. but he sees it as a dirty job that someone has to do. I'm grateful that I have been enlightened and I know the truth about the whole industry, it's Satanic to the core. The Bible calls it "Pharmakia" it's a Greek word which describes the making of potions by Witches. So Psychiatry is Witchcraft dressed up as a medical profession.
     
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    I'm still waiting for you to show me where I attacked you or falsely accused you of anything. If I quote the Bible and apply it to your false claims, you turn around and accuse me of attacking you.

    You have just proved the Bible 100% correct, when it says that unbelievers hate the truth. They reject the truth and accuse those who proclaim the truth as haters. Christ told us that we would be hated by unbelievers, so you are just proving Him right.

    The Bible says that a wise man will love you and respect for correcting him and showing him the truth, but a fool will hate you for it. I'm not offended by your accusations at all, I'm actually encouraged to continue to proclaim the truth to the whole world.
     
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    You haven't provided anything to demonstrate that I'm not a true believer a (Christian). The fact that you reject the truth doesn't mean that I'm not a Christian, if you don't accept Gods Word as being the truth then show me what you believe is true and why Gods Word is a lie.
     
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    I used your very words. You claimed that everyone thinks they know Jesus but somehow your version is correct and everyone else is lying or incorrect. This is an example of hubris or arrogance. Not a particularly well known Christ like trait.
    You continue to relish in your own ignorance, as demonstrated by your false comments made about CERN and mental health on this very thread. This after being corrected by someone who actually works in the mental health field, ie someone with some actual authority on the subject.
    Instead of as you say loving and respecting the correction, which you have just claimed is a wise course of action, you reject it. Claim you don't believe in Pychology, which makes you look dumb, but whatever. I am merely making observations based on your comments, the words you are using. Nothing else. And I don't hate you, although I wouldn't be shocked if your comments end up on Fundies Say the Darnedest Things.
    As you claimed before on this thread, one will know a false preacher by their actions and words. I have to conclude you are false then. Or a Poe. May Lord Cthulu have mercy on your brain, if you're not just having a laugh.
     
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    Pagan counseling? WTF is "Pagan counseling?"
    You haven't seen any evidence, and it's apparent you have no experience or knowledge of the field.
    Then know your church has blood on it's hands, teaching lies and such destructive and potentially deadly things. You don't know the truth, and all you've shown is how incredibly uninformed and misinformed and psychology and psychiatry you are.
    No, and that is a very dangerous thing to have people believe because mental illness are illnesses just as physical illnesses. There is no sin involved. Trauma, probably; perhaps a difficult childhood; genetic factors, could be; drug abuse, maybe; demons? There are none involved.
    That's because we don't fix any problems. We guide people along and encourage them. We are like Virgil, our clients are like Dante. They do all work to traverse through their own personal hells, while we are there to guide them along, help them, and encourage them to make better decisions to address their mental health need.
    It's very telling when you call health care "Satanic to the core." You haven't been enlightened, but you speak a toxic doctrine that can cause needless and avoidable suffering.
     
  11. Deeje

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    So "re-purposing" a false religious event is acceptable to you....? But is it acceptable to God?...to believers this should matter....Why?

    2 Corinthians 6:14-18 explains why....
    "Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,

    “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
    and I will be their God,
    and they shall be my people.
    17 Therefore go out from their midst,
    and be separate from them, says the Lord,
    and touch no unclean thing;
    then I will welcome you,
    18 and I will be a father to you,

    and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
    says the Lord Almighty. (Exodus 23:32-33)

    The message is clear.....don't touch what is spiritually unclean......I can see that from God's perspective, Halloween is spiritually filthy.
    It promotes all kinds of evil. It glorifies satan and witches, ghouls and goblins, blood and gore....and all things spiritistic. If that is harmless fun then I'm afraid that the scriptures have not had much impact on your 'theological thinking.'

    Do you never wonder why Christendom never invented festivals and spiritual events of their own to celebrate? Every single one of them is 'borrowed' from false religion and given a thin veneer of "Christian" acceptance, and a new name to pretend that they are all OK for Christians to celebrate. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 says otherwise.

    o_O

    Could it be that your beliefs are out of harmony with the rest of Christendom....and you say that with such confidence...like God hasn't clearly demonstrated that he is NOT "okey-dokey" with any beliefs or practices associated with false religion. I think you kid yourself....but hey, you don't have to answer to me.

    You don't even know how funny that statement is....the poster you are addressing is as sincere as you appear to be....yet 'smugness' taints what you say too. Are you not aware of it? There is a difference between smugness and confidence.....

    God's mercy has to be warranted or it is not offered.
    His patience has limits however, or else the final judgment means nothing. For many it will be a shock to have to account for the life they were given and treated as if were a free gift to do with as they please...not so. Life is conditional...it always has been.

    The parable of the prodigal son has nothing to do with how long the father waited...it doesn't say. The point of the parable is the return of the son and what prompted it.....and the father's response when he saw his son afar off and ran to meet him. Was it a year....2 years?....10 years?...40 years? It simply doesn't say, because it is irrelevant.

    You think the father went looking for his wayward son? Did he send servants to find him? Would the son have been welcomed home if he had not had a complete change in his attitude? The door was closed until the son came back and 'knocked' with his heart. There is so much in that parable that you seem to miss.

    You say that as one who is just as indoctrinated....who taught you your slant on scripture? Or did you make it up as you went along?

    You seem to want your cake and eat it too.....the Bible is God's word because it is inspired by his spirit...the writers are speaking God's thoughts in their own words....but none of it is real....its "myth" because you think so.....who are you? :confused:

    But of course, you don't do that? In fact you are rather short on scriptural backup for most of what you say.....are you your own authority somehow? Do you not judge others by your own criteria? Do others not judge you by theirs?

    How is your view superior?
     
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    There are two types of Scientists, one bases everything he believes on the Darwinian model. They presume that everything came from nothing, so everything that exists came from nothing. So to be accepted into the mainstream scientific community, you must abandon any vestige of common sense and embrace this most incredibly stupid idea.

    You must start with the presupposition that everything came from nothing and nothing caused everything to come into existence. Once you accept that lie, then you can be feed the rest of the lies so the whole scientific theory is based on this circular reasoning that there is no cause or reason for anything.

    When a person gives themselves over to this totally depraved reasoning, they can be indoctrinated with the doctrine of Demons. Satan and His Demons have only one agenda and aim, their only goal is to deceive people into believing they don't exist and that the Gospel is not true. Their mission is to stop the truth of Gods Word reaching people, if they can do that then they don't care what you believe as long as it's not the truth.

    Satan has deceived secular scientists and they have bought the lie that everything came from nothing. Once a person is convinced of that lie, then they become totally depraved because there is no punishment for their actions so they can do things like murder unborn babies and commit all kinds of evil without the fear of consequences.

    God created science, He has set the rules which govern all matter. Water boils at 100 degrees because He ordained it that way and every other atom in the universe is governed by the laws He set in place. Nobody can change what He has ordained and set in place, every scientists can only work within the parameters god has placed and only God can move those parameters if He chooses to and nobody else can.

    The other kind of Scientist is a believer (Christian), he knows the truth and he works with Gods blessing. God reveals the truth to him and he has the blessing of knowing the facts about the physical world and the spiritual world. He is not lost in confusion, as the unbelievers are who can never reach a state of enlightenment where he can know something for sure. Secular scientist's have no claim on anything, their theories are constantly changing and they are frustrated because they can't get a grasp on anything.

    The whole scientific theory is built like a house of cards, it's ready to collapse at any moment. It's always throwing out yesterdays facts as false trash and embracing new false facts which will be thrown in the trash can tomorrow. So the whole thing is always changing and they can't grasp or claim anything as sold fact.

    Secular science is hopelessly and fundamentally flawed, it's corrupt to it's core and it doesn't abide in the truth. Satan is at the helm and every single secular scientist is His puppet, He keeps stringing them along and promising them enlightenment but all he delivers is more darkness so they chase shadows all the way to the gates of hell.

    Secular scientists sprout the lie that we are evolving, but the facts show that mankind is degenerating into total depravity. Science promised cures for illnesses but we have more illness and disease than anytime in human history. They have failed humanity in every way, the world is degenerating and their solutions have always failed and led to catastrophe but they still push their agenda as the best way forward.

    Gods people are the only ones who know the truth about whats going on behind the scenes, all the unbelievers have been deceived and they are in bondage to Satan and their sin. Christ came to liberate everyone who would believe, all you need to do is repent and ask Him to save you and He will never turn anyone away who asks Him.
     
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    Interesting how this general theme spills over and overlaps from thread to thread, church to church, Christian to Christian. And yet none of them can give anything objectively definitive as to why they are right and everybody else wrong.
    Indeed. If medications help to keep someone out of hospitals and jails, would Jesus really be against them? If cognitive behavioral therapy is helping a new mother get over post-partum depression, certainly there could be no "evil spirits" involved as the therapist helps the mother to work past her illness and be a better and more loving mother for her family. And if Jesus does love the little children, he most certainly would not be against child protection case managers and service providers helping a client to overcome their issues and be reunited as a family.
    This member claims knowledge of the field but has shown nothing but ignorance.
     
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    That pretty much contradicts everything Jesus did and said, and it would make god look pretty lame when Satanists and Luciferians are more willing to get along with those of other paths.
     
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    So you don't see that the satanists and the lucerfarians would just love to share their festivals and beliefs with the Christians....but not ask why?
    Since Jesus only judges between "sheep and goats" at the end....we have to be in either on camp or the other. If the sheep share a pen with the goats why does Jesus need to separate them? :shrug:
     
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    Because even to us it's a day of fun, not serious in any way, and sharing things we enjoy are common and typical features of being human.
    Could it be that Jesus was up to his neck in goats and not once did he turn away from them or turn them away?
     
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    You might be surprised. But then your surety is tenuous at best.
     
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    You seem obsessed with me. In a creepy sort of way.
     
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    Christian scientists insist that the earth is flat and 6000 years old too.
     
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    Are these the" typical features of being human" SW? :shrug:

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    Yep...harmless family fun. :confused: You can even dress your little boy up as the devil....how cute. :facepalm:

    Not the Jesus I know....who are you talking about? Obviously someone masquerading as Jesus......the devil in a Jesus suit perhaps?
     
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