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Happy Fourth of July

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by pearl, Jun 28, 2022.

  1. pearl

    pearl Well-Known Member

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    An article in the local news today got me thinking about why and who celebrates.
    "The Worcester NAACP this week will lead a community reading of an 1852 Frederick Douglass speech that that highlighted the contradiction of celebrating July 4 while millions in the U.S. were enslaved.

    The reading of Douglass' "What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?" will happen before Worcester's main July 4 celebration on Thursday at East Park — the city's first in-person Independence Day celebration since 2019.

    Now, of course we no longer have slavery, but how many find nothing to celebrate?


    "But, such is not the state of the case. I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. I am not included within the pale of this glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice, are not enjoyed in common. — The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought life and healing to you, has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth [of] July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacrilegious irony. Do you mean, citizens, to mock me, by asking me to speak to-day? If so, there is a parallel to your conduct. And let me warn you that it is dangerous to copy the example of a nation whose crimes, lowering up to heaven, were thrown down by the breath of the Almighty, burying that nation in irrecoverable ruin! I can to-day take up the plaintive lament of a peeled and woe-smitten people!"
    Frederick Douglass, "What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?" (article) | Khan Academy
     
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  2. joe1776

    joe1776 Well-Known Member

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    I was born in the USA on the 4th of July. When I was five my father told me the fireworks celebration was in my honor. I had no reason to doubt him.

    I don't remember how many years passed before I realized Pop had been pulling my leg.

    His fib instilled in me a strong feeling of self-worth.

    To this day, when the fireworks show ends, and the crowd disperses, I still have to suppress an urge to thank them for coming.
     
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  3. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry The "I" in Reality

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    I know for a lot people, this is going to be a somber 4th of July, with less of an emphasis on celebrating freedoms, but more on fighting for freedoms lost.
     
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  4. esmith

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    What freedoms lost are you talking about?
     
  5. Aštra’el

    Aštra’el Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth

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    I love Fourth of July. What a time to celebrate, with family and friends.
     
  6. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry The "I" in Reality

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    Women's right to abortions comes to mind...
     
  7. esmith

    esmith Veteran Member

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    Women still have the right to have an abortion or did all the States make abortions illegal?
     
  8. fantome profane

    fantome profane Real men protect woman’s rights.
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    Do they have a “right” to an abortion?

    Or is it now a “privilege” that can be revoked at any time for any reason?
     
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  9. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    What a thoroughly disgusting post!
     
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  10. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    4th = Fireworks
    I wallow neither in patriotism nor political ennui.
     
  11. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry The "I" in Reality

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    It is currently easier for women to buy a firearm in any state than it is for them to have an abortion in many states where they have NO access to them. Let that sink in.
     
  12. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Yea. Screwed from both sides.

    Not much worth celebrating givin what was done to this country by both parties.
     
  13. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It's always been a privilege. Republicans did wrong, but Democrats are no saints when it comes to lost freedoms either.
     
  14. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    "Happy Fourth of July"? -- Not really.
     
  15. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Different states have different values.
    Some want women unarmed.
    Others want them pregnant.
    I leave both decisions up to individual women.
     
  16. esmith

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    I admit I used the wrong word when I said "right". What I should have said is that women still can have an abortion.
     
  17. fantome profane

    fantome profane Real men protect woman’s rights.
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    More than just a semantic difference.
     
  18. esmith

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    Agreed, but I was in the wrong to say "right" since it has been adjucated that the Constitution does not give the "right" to abortion.
     
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