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hallow be WHAT name?

Discussion in 'Christianity DIR' started by inca, May 5, 2004.

  1. inca

    inca Active Member

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    This is a difficult issue cos in spite of the repetition of the praying done by millions of Christians seems like parrot attitude without knowing. So, I wanted to share that with you without pretending to convince anyone:
    www.religiousforums.com/parkweb/viewtopic.php?t=608
    That's in KABBALAH theme under the issue God's name.
    This is important not just for the Jews cos it's usually ignored the fact Christ taught the sacred name to his disciples. In order to acknowledge that I suggest you to read from the Bible itself John 17:6, 11, 12, 26. Hence, the name was certainly important for Christ himself and it doesn't matter if his so-called millions of disciples consider irrelevant that name. Check also:
    Psalms 79:6
    Jeremiah 10:25
    Revelation 14:1; 22:3,4
    Ezekiel 39:7
    Just in case you are willing to change your mind no matter what you previously thought about the issue.
    In the film Passion of the Christ we hear the words in Aramaic coming from "Ieshua" when Peter cut someone's ear , he says "ana hu" which in Hebrew is "ani hu" meaning "I am" (anybody). That is exactly the text after John 17, check your Bibles in John 18:1-8. YET THERE'S AN ERROR HERE. Cos in Hebrew or Aramaic Christ was not saying such thing. This is due to the translation from the Gospel written in Greek koinê. In Greek the text simply says the equivalent to "ani hu" (ego. eimí). But the Messiah was not saying that utterance but something more important related to the previous context in John 17. He was repeating the name of God as revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14. He was saying IEVE (read my first post in the Kabbalah site to understand why and the pronunciation) or the translation "eyeh" which in English sounds like "I-Jeh" (without any sound of letter H). The name has been translated as "I AM" but it's not quite like it cos God is not tied by time, the name could mean "I Cause things to be", "The Causative Being", "I will be what I will be", "I was, I am, I will be", etc. But in no case "I am". In fact, it seems the name is not linked to Him as being only but related to Be Something for His people, something even discussed by Jewish community. Many times, Christ (whose name was not IESHUA / YESHUA either for reasons I won't discuss now) very often pronounced those words teasing the Pharisees (John 6:35,48). In one ocassion he was accused of being blaspheemer when he said "I am" before Abraham and his life was already in jeopardy.
    The reaction of the Hebrew listeners was awe admiration and fear. They withdrew and fell on the ground. In spite they were trying to catch him to arrest him, Christ courageously mentions the name to draw attention to himself rather than letting them to arrest the disciples. He even purposely REPEATED the sacred name again, a detail not overlooked by the writer of the Gospel (John 18:4-8).
     
  2. inca

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    I wrote something conecting Jesus blessed seed with the past. And the past of the GENErations comes from GENESIS. Something not too well explained by the churches, from the very mother Eve and Satan's sin:
    www.religiousforums.com/parkweb/viewtopic.php?t=207
    :party:
     
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    The Divine Name in The Hebrew Scriptures and in the Christen Greek Scriptures יהוה (YHWH or JHVH)
    God's Personal Name first mentioned in Ge 2:4 is a verb, the causitive form the imperfect state of the Hebrew verb יהוה (ha.wah', "to become"). Therefore the divine name means He Causes to Become. This reveals Jehovah as the one who with progressive action causes himself to become the fulfiller of promises the one who always brings his purposes to realization
     
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    littleseal New Member

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    The Greatest Indignity that modern translators render to the divine author of the holy scriptures is the removal of the holy name. Actually his name occurs in the Hebrew text 6,828 times as יהוה (YHWH or JHVH) generally referred to as the Tetragramation meaning having four letters. By using the name we have glorified his identity as supreme ruler and should not follow the practice of of substituting titles such as Lord Adonai or God
    In the synagogue when Jesus rose and accepted the book of Isaiah and read 61:1 where the Tetragramation is used he pronounced the divine name
    This shows his honor in manifesting his fathers name
    John 17:6,26 " I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.....I have made your name known to them and I will make it Known"
     
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    The writing in Hebrew is correct, yet the choosing of those letters as YHWH or JHVH is a lie. Jehova's Witnesses should've remember the first translations of the Bible were made by Anglosaxon people like William Tyndale. The very letter J was invented in Middle Ages, so you see some translations of the Bible mention the letter "J" refering to the smallest of the Hebrew letters in Mathew 5:18. Therefore I recommend you to read everything I posted before and not use the name Jehovah ever again. The name you mention "hawah" is exactly a word linked to "hovah" meaning depravity, perverted and so on. Why would God choose that unless is part of the altered thing? Even Jehovah's Witnesses admit that translation is one of the worst. Yet they choose it not because of spiritual truth or enlightment but just cos the name is "well known"! What a statement! That means you can worship and call a Moon God or Egyptian or Baal just because is worldwide known? Ridiculous. Unfortunately they don't even read their publications like the Jehovah's Name tract even admiting Hebrew as a language was already altered! They don't pay attention that many of the translated names in different languages started with the correct letters IE. It's a lie Hebrew didn't have vowels. I encourage you to print 44 pages to study the most important theme:
    www.yahwehism.com/html/sacred-name.html
    Yet he recongizes the translation "eyeh" or I-Jeh in English but he couldn't contradict my arguments regarding IEVE name.
    The letter H was a Greek letter named ETA but in Latin is mute. That's why in English some words you can pronounce and others not. But how am I gonna be understood with people who probably don't have the slightest idea why some same letters are pronounced differently like in "though a rough cough and hiccough plough me through"?
    Jews make a case about some letters but they don't explain why the letter V is pronounced like V in Abraham (Avram) and not like W.
     
  7. true blood

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    I wish I had the time to analyze a sentence or some words so deeply as some of you are capable of. I imagine it can be enjoyable and rewarding with great possibility. I agree with Inca that the "millions of people repeating the lords prayer" is somewhat disturbing to me. I feel these people miss out on what Jesus "taught". The monotonous, humdrum, tediously repetitious Lord's prayer. I believe Jesus was only giving an example of how he was praying to his father. His friends wanted to know, Jesus obliged, prays out loud, etc.. I really doubt he wanted millions of people to repeat his exact words over and over and over again..
     
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    The Divine Name in The Hebrew Scriptures and in the Christen Greek Scriptures יהוה (YHWH or JHVH)
    God's Personal Name first mentioned in Ge 2:4 is a verb, the causitive form the imperfect state of the Hebrew verb יהוה (ha.wah', "to become"). Therefore the divine name means He Causes to Become. This reveals Jehovah as the one who with progressive action causes himself to become the fulfiller of promises the one who always brings his purposes to realization
     
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    The Greatest Indignity that modern translators render to the divine author of the holy scriptures is the removal of the holy name. Actually his name occurs in the Hebrew text 6,828 times as יהוה (YHWH or JHVH) generally referred to as the Tetragramation meaning having four letters. By using the name we have glorified his identity as supreme ruler and should not follow the practice of of substituting titles such as Lord Adonai or God
    In the synagogue when Jesus rose and accepted the book of Isaiah and read 61:1 where the Tetragramation is used he pronounced the divine name
    This shows his honor in manifesting his fathers name
    John 17:6,26 " I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.....I have made your name known to them and I will make it Known"
     
  10. inca

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    The writing in Hebrew is correct, yet the choosing of those letters as YHWH or JHVH is a lie. Jehova's Witnesses should've remember the first translations of the Bible were made by Anglosaxon people like William Tyndale. The very letter J was invented in Middle Ages, so you see some translations of the Bible mention the letter "J" refering to the smallest of the Hebrew letters in Mathew 5:18. Therefore I recommend you to read everything I posted before and not use the name Jehovah ever again. The name you mention "hawah" is exactly a word linked to "hovah" meaning depravity, perverted and so on. Why would God choose that unless is part of the altered thing? Even Jehovah's Witnesses admit that translation is one of the worst. Yet they choose it not because of spiritual truth or enlightment but just cos the name is "well known"! What a statement! That means you can worship and call a Moon God or Egyptian or Baal just because is worldwide known? Ridiculous. Unfortunately they don't even read their publications like the Jehovah's Name tract even admiting Hebrew as a language was already altered! They don't pay attention that many of the translated names in different languages started with the correct letters IE. It's a lie Hebrew didn't have vowels. I encourage you to print 44 pages to study the most important theme:
    www.yahwehism.com/html/sacred-name.html
    Yet he recongizes the translation "eyeh" or I-Jeh in English but he couldn't contradict my arguments regarding IEVE name.
    The letter H was a Greek letter named ETA but in Latin is mute. That's why in English some words you can pronounce and others not. But how am I gonna be understood with people who probably don't have the slightest idea why some same letters are pronounced differently like in "though a rough cough and hiccough plough me through"?
    Jews make a case about some letters but they don't explain why the letter V is pronounced like V in Abraham (Avram) and not like W.
     
  11. true blood

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    I wish I had the time to analyze a sentence or some words so deeply as some of you are capable of. I imagine it can be enjoyable and rewarding with great possibility. I agree with Inca that the "millions of people repeating the lords prayer" is somewhat disturbing to me. I feel these people miss out on what Jesus "taught". The monotonous, humdrum, tediously repetitious Lord's prayer. I believe Jesus was only giving an example of how he was praying to his father. His friends wanted to know, Jesus obliged, prays out loud, etc.. I really doubt he wanted millions of people to repeat his exact words over and over and over again..
     
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    When the disciples asked the Lord how to pray, he didn't say "repeat after me" but "After this manner, pray ye." The Lord's Prayer is a recipe and while you can follow it exactly, it's always better when you tweak it and make it your own.

    The first part of the prayer is worship. We call on God and glorify his name and might and recognize that He is above all things.
    Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
    Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven


    The second part is petitioning....for us and for others. God wants us to ask. He said, "Ye have not because ye ask not."
    Give us this day our daily bread.

    The third part is asking forgiveness for our sins and a reminder that we must also forgive others. “If you forgive men their offenses, your heavenly Father will forgive you yours; but if you will not forgive men, neither will your heavenly Father forgive you your offenses” (Mt. 6:14).

    And forgive us our trespasses,
    as we forgive those who trespass against us.


    Many people misunderstand this last part because God does not lead us into sin, but he does test our virtue and our faith in Him. This testing is necessary for without it, how would we know where our are weaknesses are and know to work on them? However, we take comfort in his assurance that “God is faithful, and will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also give you a way out that you may be able to bear it” (1 Cor. 10:13).

    And lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil.


    Finally, closure. I like to think of this as the "but thy will, not mine" section. An understanding and acceptance of the Glory and might of God and his mercy.

    For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen

    Melody
     
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    Its good to know that Jehovah has a people who are willing to use the devine name and to use a translation that puts the name in its rightful place where it belongs(psalm 83;18)
     
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    Yes this is so true , he will bring his purpose to realization just as the scriptures say , not only in the heaven, but also on the earth.







    "‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

     
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