Originally Posted by
sincerly
It has been shown by the Scriptures that the looked for Messiah has come and the Woman at the Well and many of the people of the area attested to the Fact.(and others besides the Apostles/Disciples which HE taught).
HE came unto HIS own and they received HIM not---as was prophesied.
However, What was it that "our messiah is supposed to do" And What is it that you/"we can to make a world worthy of him".????
Also, Why aren't you "we're not really rocking that agenda right now."???
Wasn't that the prophetic role that was given to Abraham's descendants?? To be a Blessing to the Nations/"light to the Gentiles"??
CMike was quite right. Our messiah is supposed to restore the Davidic monarchy, free Jews from non-Jewish rule, return the Jewish People to the Land of Israel, help resolve conflicts between Jews and aid in all Jews better and more faithfully observing the commandments, rededicate the Temple (or, once it was destroyed, rebuild the Temple), and help inaugurate a worldwide age of peace and spiritual advancement and brotherhood.
Jesus did none of those things. Not a single one. There is no proof he was a descendant of David. He didn't restore the monarchy. He didn't help Jews throw off non-Jewish rule-- indeed, his followers ended up being the non-Jewish rulers who oppressed us. He didn't resolve conflicts between Jews, they deepened, and the Temple was destroyed because of sinat chinam (baseless hatred amongst us). He didn't rededicate the Temple, it remained under the control of Sadducees and the corrupted pawns of the Herodian puppet-kings until it was destroyed (and his followers didn't get it rebuilt, nor did he come back from death and rebuild it).
Hi Levite, I apologize for not responding sooner. I want to comment on your response to Sleepy before getting to your response to my post.
I see accusations/opinions, but nothing to substantiate your claims.
Those Jewish Followers of Jesus Christ reasoned with their Jewish Brothers and sisters for three and a half years prior to even beginning to witness the Truth of the Same message being being taught to those who were despised by the leaders of the Jewish Nation.
The recorded facts are that 50 days after the Crucifixion(the day of Pentecost) 3000 of those in attendance acknowledged that Jesus Christ was the looked for/hoped for/expected Messiah.
and this occurred 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion and prior to this "sect" being called "Christians"/followers of the Messiah/Christ. Acts7:6, "And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith".
Yes, "eventually" as prophesied in Daniel(in following the pattern of Israel as attested by the prophets) there was a "falling away", But the Truth of the Everlasting Gospel has and will be taught until the return of the same Messiah which was "not received by HIS own" as John(1:11), stated, and Isaiah(52+53), "We esteemed him Not" prophesied---"he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors" .
The "SEED" of the woman had to come to make the redemption possible, before HE will return as KING of kings and LORD of lords".
More importantly, he didn't aid all Jews to better and more faithfully observe the commandments: he taught heresies, and his followers ended up becoming apostates, and trying to seduce other Jews into apostasy and heresy.
To the contrary, for three and a half years Jesus Christ taught in all of Judea. It was the leaders of the Jewish Nation who sought to kill HIM for teaching the truths of GOD(Matt.7:28-29), "And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as [one] having authority, and not as the scribes."
It was the Scribes and pharisees who accused Jesus of breaking the "traditions and commandments of men."(Mark 7:1-13) and Jesus countered that they were NOT keeping the "Commandments of GOD".
The apostasy was with the Jewish Nation and HIS teachings was to show the truth of those ancient Scriptures. Jesus gave parable after parable for the people to see and understand GOD, HIS PURPOSES, AND METHOD OF SALVATION---and they continued to reject. Just as Daniel had prophesied.(9:24-27)
The ultimate "finishing" was in that proclamation of Jesus in Matt.23:38, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."
And he didn't inaugurate a worldwide era of peace, brotherhood, and spiritual advancement. The Church mercilessly persecuted anyone it felt was heretical or otherwise undesirable. It fostered oppression, discrimination, pogroms, the Crusades, religious wars across the globe, forced conversions, the Inquisitions, and imperialist conquest of native peoples everywhere Europeans went. The Church kept knowledge even of its own scriptures and interpretations from common people, and plunged the Western World into the Dark Ages. The history of Christianity is the exact inverse of a worldwide era of peace, brotherhood, and spiritual advancement.
That "peaceful" world will be on/in the earth made new. And only those who are in agreement with the GOVERNMENT OF GOD will be among the Redeemed who inhabit it. The Scriptures declare the admittance price is Confession of Sins, Repentance of such actions and submitting to the Will of the FATHER.
As for what we can do to make a world worthy of the messiah coming, we can follow the commandments, we can try to inspire moral acts in non-Jewish peoples, we can rid ourselves of sinat chinam (baseless hatred) and replace it with ahavat chinam (unconditional love), and we can try to bring peace, justice, and an end to poverty and oppression to the world-- thus creating the proper conditions for the messiah to emerge and lead us, showing God that we are worthy of a messiah.
Levite, look back at Ezek.18, that "making" is an individual choice and is only achieved when "one" sees GOD as GOD and has made HIM LORD OF ONE'S LIFE.
And we're not actually doing very well on any of those fronts, if one looks either at the state of the world, or the state of the Jewish People.... We could, and should, be doing much better. We can only hope we will improve, and that our children and their children will do even better than we, and perhaps in the day of their descendants, we will be worthy of the messiah.
Those scriptures teach that "no one" is righteous and there is nothing that one can do which will cause one to be "worthy". The penalty by which one is seen "unworthy" is "Death". Therefore, one has to rely on the previsions/"plan of salvation" which was instituted by the CREATOR AND REDEEMER GOD.