would you like to provide a link or citation for this...you seem to recall...seeing it on tv...could you be a bit more specific...maybe just this once?
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Guns at the Door
- Thread starter Thief
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Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
Never talk about guns to anyone.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm sure there will be a few lawyers out there willing to take up the case.
I mean if my rights were violated like that I'm pretty sure, eventually, a pretty sizable settlement would be the only recompense.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
When you see what has already happened to Britain and Canada....... Former examples of free gun ownership. Not anymore.
Given that I own no guns, I will probably just tell him so and hope there is nothing more to it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It would be unconstitutional and I doubt any judge would want to deal with the headache from having to deal with the fallout over having authorized such a thing.
I'll tell him that he'd have to find the key to the lock box I lost about 6 years ago to get to it.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
that didn't happen down south
looting had taken hold
authorities were facing possible home invasions
and possible shootings
Shad
Veteran Member
That isn't grounds for warrant-less seizure of weapons
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I would agree
especially if home invasions had been reported
people can become scavengers
What makes you think that most crime occurs in the inner city?
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Most gun crime does occur in the inner city, data proves this. If impersonal numbers aren't your thing there are many cities that have "murder trackers" online to keep track of murders often with red dots pinpointing the location and the names, ages, sex, and race of the victims sometimes with pictures. Most murders tend to occur in poorer black areas and the victims are largely young black males. Additionally it is pretty much agreed among police chiefs around the country that %60 of all gun crime is gang or drug related, whether anyone likes it or not that appears to be the truth of the matter.
Look ten random larger U.S. cities up, you might learn something.
And yet, overall, the people of Canada are more free than the people of the United States. Funny how that worked out.
Kinda undercuts the whole "guns keep us free" argument, eh?
Ah - you've confused frequency with risk. You're not the first person to make that error.
And if you think there are no gangs or drugs in the suburbs or rural areas, I'd say that you've never been to the suburbs or rural areas... or you weren't paying attention when you did.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
I'm looking at confirmed cases of gun murder not guesswork or supposition, I suggest you do the same. Argue for the sake of argument and sidestep all you want but at least make a minimal effort to educate yourself.
Please
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Oh I don't know about that. There are enough Canadians that I've come across that complain about loss of Freedom as much as their American counterparts. But then again it's only garnered from Southern Ontario, I can't speak obviously for the rest of the country and what the views are outside of what I hear on media and crosstalk.
Canada's obviously not a dictatorship as actually, it's still a pretty pleasant country overall, yet it's unquestionably getting more and more restrictive as time goes by. Same as here in the US. Personally I think both sides of the Border pretty much in the same boat.
I'm still waiting for you to supply evidence that this actually happened someplace in the US south at some point in the past. Dates, name of event, source of news about this declaration of martial law and confiscation of firearms and arrest of those who refused to turn them over.
Otherwise, this is just a hypothetical discussion about how many of us are stupid enough to directly resist unjust authority in an emergency situation.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
pick a name of a hurricane.....look south
so, you're implying this happens every time a hurricane occurs anywhere in the American south?
on imposition of martial law
Martial law in the United States - Wikipedia
and, doing your citation work for you
www.nbcnews.com/id/27087738/ns/us.../nra-settle-suit-over-katrina-gun-seizures/
Following Hurricane Katrina, many states passed laws to prevent law enforcement from blanket actions, such as occurred in 2005 on the Gulf Coast.
It does not appear to have occurred anywhere else. Those who had their guns illegally confiscated either had them returned, or were compensated. While a number were arrested, except in cases of prior warrants, they were shortly released and charges were dropped...and many were compensated.
So your OP really hinges on the conditions of the moment, whether there is an emergency situation occurring.
I don't have firearms, but if I did, and it was in an emergency situation, I would turn over my weapons, and record names and any other identifying information for future lawsuits for violation of my civil liberties. The courts have not looked kindly on such overreach by law enforcement.
If law enforcement showed up without proper warrant and when no emergency was occurring and demanded this, I would point out their illegal action and refuse to comply...again, noting names and other details against future.
If they had what appeared to be a valid warrant, then I would comply...but I would doubt that any judge would approve of such a warrant, unless there were good reason to suspect I am a hazard. And again, I would note names and details for future use...