Guillermo vs. the Scholars.

[John D. Brey]

Imagination


is more important than knowledge. For knowledge

is limited,
whereas
imagination
embraces
the entire
world,
stimulating
progress,
giving
birth to
evolution.


Albert Einstein.
​

Of late I've been berated for using movies, poetry, and modern contemporary thought, as though they're just as representative of knowledge as is so-called scholarly treatises. But it's a prejudice to assume scholars have a better grasp on truth than poets, artists, or movie-makers. On the contrary, artists and movie-makers delve into the depths of human imagination, and its source, the Jungian collective-unconsciousness, where the deepest reservoirs of knowledge cover the mind like waters cover the sea.

Case in point, this years Oscar-winning best picture: The Shape of Water. ------Guillermo's masterpiece says more about where mankind stands in the hourglass of biblical time than any scholar is apt to understand or reveal even though his scholarship might be the engine propelling mankind to our date with destiny.

The Bible is clear that human history is bookmarked by two global cataclysms, two floods (the first water, the second fire). Equally clear, from a biblical perspective, is that each cataclysm is preseeded by eras of gross anti-biblical thought and ideology. This anti-biblical thought and social glad-handing is marked both times by one unique measure of the anti-biblical humanism. Both of these times, and they're the only such times in human history, acceptance of homosexual marriage is the poster-child for the approaching cataclysm; the quintessential sign of its impending arrival.

The great Jewish sages of the Middle-Ages said that God endures all sin save one: the writing of writs for homosexual marriage. According to these sages the writing of writs for homosexual marriage was the straw that broke the camel's back and led to the universal flood. . . This is significant since these great Jewish sages wrote this opinion at a time when no nations or society in post-diluvian history had repeated the mistake of the ante-diluvians. At the time of the writing of Midrash Rabbah, no nation since the flood had wrote writs of marriage for homosexuals. . . In fact, to this very day, no nation or society has wrote writs of marriage for homosexuals until the decade when Guillermo del Toro produced his Jungian manifesto.

The Shape of Water is an in-your-face tribute to gay marriage. It's an in-your-face flipping of the bird to the God who allowed the first flood. It's an in-your-face warning that the last of the two floods is coming round the bend like a slow train about to finally arrive at the station.

The Bible attributes gay-marriage not just with inter-gender mixing, but, seemingly ironically, with inter-species mixing. Everywhere in the Bible where gay-unions are tolerated the bible speaks of the nephilim who represent not just inter-gender mixing, but inter-species mixing. In Genesis chapter six, the "sons of god" (bene ha elohim) interbred with the daughters of men, taking all of them they choose. This inter-species breeding is associated with rampant homosexuality. Similarly, at Sodom and Gomorrah, we read of "strange flesh." The homosexuality rampant in the cities is associated, in the bible, with "strange flesh," which is the flesh of inter-species breeding. According to the Bible, this inter-species breeding, associated with rampant homosexuality, specifically writing writs of marriage for homosexuals, is the justification for the universal flood and the wiping out of the majority of mankind.

Enter Guillermo's modern ante-diluvian manifesto.

There are three primary players in Guillermo's movie. A deaf young woman, a nephilim-creature, and a gay friend of the deaf woman. As fate and history would have it, the woman eventually has sex, inter-breeds, inter-species breeding, with the ben ha eloah (one of the nephilim).------So calloused, so corrupt, is today's audience that they no longer have a natural aversion to an on-screen scene of inter-species breeding. Guillermo doesn't insinuate inter-species breeding. He shows it on screen. In any other age the movie would sicken the audience and be banned from the big screen. But today there was the same humanistic ignorance of such things that allows a global society to embrace their own annihilation promised in the Bible the day they accept gay marriage and the inter-species breeding it represents and brings about.

The Shape of Water goes much further toward anti-Biblical hubris. The ben ha eloah, (the member of the nephilim that interbreeds with the deaf woman) comes prepared for God's response to inter-species breeding. He's a sea-creature. He can live with the universal flood. He will thrive in God's judgment.

Near the end of the movie, after all the wonderful inter-species sex-scenes, and all the teary-eyed joy of the audience, the supposed villain of the film confronts the ben ha eloah as he attempts to escape the grasp of the law who are seeking to destroy him. In the penultimate scene of the movie, the villain confronts the fallen one, the ben ha eloah. When he shoots the creature, its wound immediately heals, and the alleged villain exclaims, "So you are a son of God" after which the ben ha eloah grabs the woman and descends into the watery lair for the final scene of the movie where woman and creature embrace as they descend into the watery Hades nestled in the inter-species love and union that overcomes the weak power of any judgment God might muster.

The Shape of Water is the shape of things to come. And yet you won't hear a peep of the experiments being performed by the scholars and scientist who are making inter-species mixing a reality in the lab. No. . .You have to be attuned to the Jungian collective unconscious as it manifests itself in art and contemporary liberal thought to see behind the veil into man's nearly arrived finality.

You, dear reader, are the final generation of post-diluvian humanity. Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow will bring a new day and a frightening new reality where you'll be as ill-equipped for survival as the Neanderthal was at the arrival of modern man.



John

 

[Skwim]

The Bible is clear that human history is bookmarked by two global cataclysms, two floods (the first water, the second fire). Equally clear, from a biblical perspective, is that each cataclysm is preseeded by eras of gross anti-biblical thought and ideology. This anti-biblical thought and social glad-handing is marked both times by one unique measure of the anti-biblical humanism. Both of these times, and they're the only such times in human history, acceptance of homosexual marriage is the poster-child for the approaching cataclysm; the quintessential sign of its impending arrival.

Homosexual marriages aside, why do you think god doesn't like homosexual behavior?

The great Jewish sages of the Middle-Ages said that God endures all sin save one: the writing of writs for homosexual marriage. According to these sages the writing of writs for homosexual marriage was the straw that broke the camel's back and led to the universal flood. . . This is significant since these great Jewish sages wrote this opinion at a time when no nations or society in post-diluvian history had repeated the mistake of the ante-diluvians. At the time of the writing of Midrash Rabbah, no nation since the flood had wrote writs of marriage for homosexuals. . . In fact, to this very day, no nation or society has wrote writs of marriage for homosexuals until the decade when Guillermo del Toro produced his Jungian manifesto.

And why should anyone put these "sages" of yours ahead of any of the wise people today, quite a few of whom have come out in support of homosexual marriages? To me it's interesting that to cherry pick support for your homophobia you had to reach back to the Middle-Ages.

The Shape of Water is an in-your-face tribute to gay marriage. It's an in-your-face flipping of the bird to the God who allowed the first flood. It's an in-your-face warning that the last of the two floods is coming round the bend like a slow train about to finally arrive at the station.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen the movie; however, other than the fact that one of the characters in the movie is gay I haven't heard a thing about homosexuality playing a significant part in the story, much less the movie being a tribute to gay marriage.

The Bible attributes gay-marriage not just with inter-gender mixing, but, seemingly ironically, with inter-species mixing.
Everywhere in the Bible where gay-unions are tolerated the bible speaks of the nephilim who represent not just inter-gender mixing, but inter-species mixing.

Really! How about a chapter and verse.

In Genesis chapter six, the "sons of god" (bene ha elohim) interbred with the daughters of men, taking all of them they choose. This inter-species breeding is associated with rampant homosexuality.

Other than yourself, who else says so?

According to the Bible, this inter-species breeding, associated with rampant homosexuality, specifically writing writs of marriage for homosexuals, is the justification for the universal flood and the wiping out of the majority of mankind.

Going to need chapter and verse before I think anyone here will take you seriously.

There are three primary players in Guillermo's movie. A deaf young woman, a nephilim-creature,

I assume you characterize her as such so as to retain your very odd allegation above.

and a gay friend of the deaf woman. As fate and history would have it, the woman eventually has sex, inter-breeds, inter-species breeding, with the ben ha eloah (one of the nephilim).

She gets pregnant?!? Now that's something I never heard about the movie.

------So calloused, so corrupt, is today's audience that they no longer have a natural aversion to an on-screen scene of inter-species breeding.

Probably because they recognize science fiction for what it is, fiction, and are able to keep it in perspective: It's only fiction.

The Shape of Water goes much further toward anti-Biblical hubris. The ben ha eloah, (the member of the nephilim that interbreeds with the deaf woman) comes prepared for God's response to inter-species breeding.

But you just said that the deaf woman was a nephilim-creature. So where would any interbreeding come into play?

He's a sea-creature. He can live with the universal flood. He will thrive in God's judgment.

And how do you know this to be a fact within the story? I'm beginning to suspect you're making a lot of this up to harmonize with your homophobia.

Near the end of the movie, after all the wonderful inter-species sex-scenes, and all the teary-eyed joy of the audience, the supposed villain of the film confronts the ben ha eloah as he attempts to escape the grasp of the law who are seeking to destroy him. In the penultimate scene of the movie, the villain confronts the fallen one, the ben ha eloah. When he shoots the creature, its wound immediately heals, and the alleged villain exclaims, "So you are a son of God" after which the ben ha eloah grabs the woman and descends into the watery lair for the final scene of the movie where woman and creature embrace as they descend into the watery Hades nestled in the inter-species love and union that overcomes the weak power of any judgment God might muster.

So that's what the Jewish messiah is, a fish-man. No wonder you're so upset. So upset you use homosexual behavior as a pretext to denounce the movie. Shame on you.

The Shape of Water is the shape of things to come. And yet you won't hear a peep of the experiments being performed by the scholars and scientist who are making inter-species mixing a reality in the lab. No. . .You have to be attuned to the Jungian collective unconscious as it manifests itself in art and contemporary liberal thought to see behind the veil into man's nearly arrived finality.

Then it's a good thing we have people like yourself who have the low down on all these experiments in science so as to warn us.

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[John D. Brey]

Homosexual marriages aside, why do you think god doesn't like homosexual behavior?

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. . . In the context of this thread the Bible seems to relate inter-gender mixing with inter-species mixing:

All plant substances and energies operate within specific and fixed limits; the form of each plant crystallizes into a specific and predetermined form. This great law, which is made manifest to us in the plant world, governs everything ----from the cedar to the hyssop; it rules in the minute fibers and seedlings, even as in giant trees that reach toward the skies. All-pervading and all-embracing, this law allows each individual plant species to develop only within the limits set for it. This law, which echoes from every blade of grass as well as from the tallest cedar, proclaims" "למינו!" "According to its species!"

Hirsch Chumash, Genesis 1:11-13.​

Inter-species mixing is an abomination in the Bible. Similarly, homosexuality is treated as an abomination. It's not readily apparent how the Bible connects inter-gender mixing with inter-species mixing. But it does; and if we uncover why, we'll have a valuable piece of the puzzle.


John

 

[John D. Brey]

And why should anyone put these "sages" of yours ahead of any of the wise people today, quite a few of whom have come out in support of homosexual marriages? To me it's interesting that to cherry pick support for your homophobia you had to reach back to the Middle-Ages.


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. . . Apart from the authoritative and well-read nature of Midrash Rabbah, one point of paraphrasing the sages there is that at the time they wrote of writing writs of marriage for homosexuals being the pin of the grenade that unleashed the dam holding back the universal flood, homosexuality was still a closet phenomenon. Neither homosexuality, nor acceptance of homosexuality, were rampant when Midrash Rabbah was written. Which suggests the writers aren't commenting, with personal bias, on actual contemporary events, but but merely voicing doctrines and teachings that are biblical and not contemporaneous with their commentary.

It would be hundreds of years before the second time in human history where legal authorities wrote writs of marriage for homosexuals began to take place just prior to the second near annihilation of the human race.


John