GOP tried to roll back the Endangered Species Act

[leibowde84]

GOP-Led Attack Aims To Chip Away At Endangered Species Act

I know ... it's the huffington post. Not exactly unbiased, but this is a dangerous road that could potentially destroy the progress made by the ESA in lessening human impact on the environment. It is a complete surrender to business interests and a move towards ignoring the harm certain businesses can do to the environment.

"Among other things, the bills would require that federal agencies consider the economic effects before granting protection for a species, eliminate ESA protections for nonnative species and mandate that agencies supply affected states with all the data they plan to use in determining whether to list a species as endangered or threatened."

What are your thoughts?

 

[David1967]

How and in what way could not protecting endangered species be considered a good thing? Rolling it back is a horrible idea.

 

[RedDragon94]

I wish that there was a way to bring the energy sector into the area without harming the habitats of animals.

What are they gonna do, cage every non-native animal? And what the heck is a non-native animal?

It's like, "Welp this eagle flew across the Mexican border, it's a non-native animal. Gonna have to deport it."

Love the pic with Ryan Zinke and the deer head above his head btw, shows people the mindset.

 

[BSM1]

GOP-Led Attack Aims To Chip Away At Endangered Species Act

I know ... it's the huffington post. Not exactly unbiased, but this is a dangerous road that could potentially destroy the progress made by the ESA in lessening human impact on the environment. It is a complete surrender to business interests and a move towards ignoring the harm certain businesses can do to the environment.

"Among other things, the bills would require that federal agencies consider the economic effects before granting protection for a species, eliminate ESA protections for nonnative species and mandate that agencies supply affected states with all the data they plan to use in determining whether to list a species as endangered or threatened."

What are your thoughts?

Finally it seems there's some common sense applied to these fiats.

 

[Quetzal]

GOP-Led Attack Aims To Chip Away At Endangered Species Act

I know ... it's the huffington post. Not exactly unbiased, but this is a dangerous road that could potentially destroy the progress made by the ESA in lessening human impact on the environment. It is a complete surrender to business interests and a move towards ignoring the harm certain businesses can do to the environment.

"Among other things, the bills would require that federal agencies consider the economic effects before granting protection for a species, eliminate ESA protections for nonnative species and mandate that agencies supply affected states with all the data they plan to use in determining whether to list a species as endangered or threatened."

What are your thoughts?

I do not see this as a good idea at all. As David said, what good comes from this outside of the possibility of greater profits for the upper class? This trend in politics (both sides of the aisle) is grinding my gears. I encourage everyone here to vote in midterms coming up. Support your grass root candidates that support your ideals, not big business.

 

[VioletVortex]

Sorry, but you can't lessen the impact of humans on the environment through some government organization. If anything, such an organization has the potential to make the problems worse. In this case, the ESA did create a buffer between us and certain endangered species, but not a very effective one at that. Organizations like this also help to create an atmosphere of complacency with the substandard level of "assistance" they provide. I voted "no."

 

[Quetzal]

Sorry, but you can't lessen the impact of humans on the environment through some government organization.

Of course you can! The NPS has preserved hundreds of thousands of acres that remain untouched.

 

[leibowde84]

Sorry, but you can't lessen the impact of humans on the environment through some government organization. If anything, such an organization has the potential to make the problems worse. In this case, the ESA did create a buffer between us and certain endangered species, but not a very effective one at that. Organizations like this also help to create an atmosphere of complacency with the substandard level of "assistance" they provide. I voted "no."

So, rolling back the protections of endangered species is a bad thing, in your opinion?

 

[metis]

I voted "no" since I don't want my grandchildren to live in a cesspool of a world through destroying what we have. For anyone who voted "yes", let me suggest they move to Nigeria and see what happens when environmental laws are not enforced.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Does that we get to classify the politician as an endangered species, given they are an ultra-slim percentage of the population, and have open season on those who want to weaken or get rid of the ESA?

 

[Shiranui117]

GOP-Led Attack Aims To Chip Away At Endangered Species Act

I know ... it's the huffington post. Not exactly unbiased, but this is a dangerous road that could potentially destroy the progress made by the ESA in lessening human impact on the environment. It is a complete surrender to business interests and a move towards ignoring the harm certain businesses can do to the environment.

"Among other things, the bills would require that federal agencies consider the economic effects before granting protection for a species, eliminate ESA protections for nonnative species and mandate that agencies supply affected states with all the data they plan to use in determining whether to list a species as endangered or threatened."

What are your thoughts?

I voted no, with the caveat that we should be able to nuke the populations of non-native, invasive species, like the Asian carp and the zebra mussels that are wreaking absolute havoc on water systems in the Eastern US. And the ridiculous amount of snakes and invasive bugs that Florida has going on.

 

[Shiranui117]

I wish that there was a way to bring the energy sector into the area without harming the habitats of animals.

What are they gonna do, cage every non-native animal? And what the heck is a non-native animal?

It's like, "Welp this eagle flew across the Mexican border, it's a non-native animal. Gonna have to deport it."

Love the pic with Ryan Zinke and the deer head above his head btw, shows people the mindset.

Invasive Species - National Wildlife Federation

IOW, taking a species from its native habitat, where it evolved to play an actually useful role in the food web, into a new territory where its sudden presence causes strong adverse effects on the local flora and/or fauna, upsetting the ecological balance and threatening to out-compete native species, or introduce diseases that were unknown in the area up to that point.

And technically, we could build nuclear power plants, which have been developed to be pretty self-containing, overall harmless facilities. Of course you'd have to clear a couple acres of habitat, but it works out a lot better than massive wind farms which can space jam birds by the dozens or solar farms which take up ungodly amounts of groundspace. And let's not even get into the ecological hell that is drilling and mining for fossil fuels.

 

[VioletVortex]

Of course you can! The NPS has preserved hundreds of thousands of acres that remain untouched.

That's pretty good, but they do nothing to prohibit farmers from torturing their livestock. It's a much bigger issue than land.

 

[Quetzal]

That's pretty good, but they do nothing to prohibit farmers from torturing their livestock. It's a much bigger issue than land.

We can't have a discussion if you move the goalposts.

 

[RedDragon94]

IOW, taking a species from its native habitat, where it evolved to play an actually useful role in the food web, into a new territory where its sudden presence causes strong adverse effects on the local flora and/or fauna, upsetting the ecological balance and threatening to out-compete native species, or introduce diseases that were unknown in the area up to that point.

Interesting, you wouldn't think that would be such a big deal. Simply moving animals from one area to another causes damage ecologically. I guess it's kind of like when the Europeans came over to North America.

 

[esmith]

Look at the problems cause by wolfs in the West and the wolf is listed on the endangered species list
https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/gray-wolves-impact-elk
Oregon watches Idaho experience as wolves reduce elk population
State's largest wolf pack on move around the region as overall wolf numbers fall

 

[Twilight Hue]

Depends if the animal is really endangered or its slow bureaucracy that's being expedited to remove certain species that are now self sustaining.

 

[Shiranui117]

Interesting, you wouldn't think that would be such a big deal. Simply moving animals from one area to another causes damage ecologically. I guess it's kind of like when the Europeans came over to North America.

Not a bad analogy, and it relates perfectly to the concept. But yeah, just look at what rabbits did to Australia.

 

[RedDragon94]

Not a bad analogy, and it relates perfectly to the concept. But yeah, just look at what rabbits did to Australia.

Wow.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Wow.

Yeah. Introducing a new species into a new environment is known for having devastating and dire consequences. Even with insects and fish, the consequences can be absolutely devastating to the ecosystem they are introduced to. "Just better to just never deliberately do it." sort of bad.