GOP Pulls Debate Support

[Left Coast]

Rick Perry was obviously an "empty chair"
beforehand. This was no new info.
Did you actually consider voting for him
before you saw that gaffe?

No. Conservatives may have, though.

But having time to consider one's words
yields a better picture of their thinking IMO.

I think both have value.

I see the debates as detracting from voter information
because of the emotional manipulation by impression.

I see emotional manipulation in all forms of communication in politics. One has to learn to think critically through those attempts regardless of medium.

People too often think they can get a sense of a person
by looking them in the eye, & hearing their words. It's
like the old handshake & a man's word is his bond.
Experience has taught me to distrust that easy leap to
belief.

For better or worse, much diplomacy and negotiation still happens that way. We're social animals. Until you've found a way to deprogram that, people skills and public speaking skills are important for people in elected office.

 

[Revoltingest]

No. Conservatives may have, though.

See...nothing new.

I think both have value.

Agree to disagree.

I see emotional manipulation in all forms of communication in politics. One has to learn to think critically through those attempts regardless of medium.

Voice & appearance are the most
powerful manipulators.

For better or worse, much diplomacy and negotiation still happens that way. We're social animals. Until you've found a way to deprogram that, people skills and public speaking skills are important for people in elected office.

One's public appearance (voice & physical) are
indeed important. I argue they should be treated
as far less so.

 

[F1fan]

Misleading thread title. The GOP supports debates. It just can no longer accept the biased Commission and its unprofessional biased so-called debates. There is a difference.

OK, offer evidence that the commission is unprofessional and biased. Cite examples, too.

 

[F1fan]

What? Are the Republicans afraid the moderator will ask them a tough question like "Is Joe Biden the legitimate President?" LOL

I remember the first round of the GOP nominations in 2012. Of the 12 (I think) candidates only two raised their hands if they accepted evolution. It was Romney and Huntsman. I was stunned it was only two.

 

[Left Coast]

See...nothing new.

I guarantee you it was new to some people. If he'd been a liberal who made a similar gaffe, it would have affected my view of him. And rightly so.

Voice & appearance are the most
powerful manipulators.

They're also powerful, effective means of communication. Pros and cons.

 

[Revoltingest]

Misleading thread title. The GOP supports debates. It just can no longer accept the biased Commission and its unprofessional biased so-called debates.

That's too bad.
I was hoping for debates' demise.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guarantee you it was new to some people. If he'd been a liberal who made a similar gaffe, it would have affected my view of him. And rightly so.



They're also powerful, effective means of communication. Pros and cons.

More important than communication are values, goals,
agendas, & abilities to deliver on them. Such things
don't come out in debates. Politicians will pretend &
posture about them. But one really doesn't know based
upon what they say. Record & platform tell that story.

 

[The Hammer]

Agendas that a politician intends to implement
mean more to me than ability to handle stress on TV.

That I don't get from TV. I read campaign websites, as well as dig through past voting records and rulings on other issues

 

[Left Coast]

More important than communication are values, goals,
agendas, & abilities to deliver on them. Such things
don't come out in debates. Politicians will pretend &
posture about them. But one really doesn't know based
upon what they say. Record & platform tell that story.

If people aren't effectively convinced that your values, goals, and policies are worthwhile, they won't vote for you. Communication is how you tell people those things. It's also part of how you deliver on your promises.

 

[metis]

I tend to think the Pubs pulled out because they prefer their fabricated culture-wars issue, thus not what we should be expecting in a serious give & take debate.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I tend to think the Pubs pulled out because they prefer their fabricated culture-wars issue, thus not what we should be expecting in a serious give & take debate.

They wouldn't want to be fact checked in real time either.

 

[F1fan]

They wouldn't want to be fact checked in real time either.

Which is only done by the mainstream liberal media who have an anti-American agenda, and out to destroy freedom as we know it.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Which is only done by the mainstream liberal media who have an anti-American agenda, and out to destroy freedom as we know it.

So, in the MAGA world, facts aren't actually facts. Or maybe they're whatever you want them to be. That's the GOP today in spades.

 

[Revoltingest]

If people aren't effectively convinced that your values, goals, and policies are worthwhile, they won't vote for you. Communication is how you tell people those things. It's also part of how you deliver on your promises.

I see people justify voting for politicians who stand
against what they value. Why & how? They ignore
or minimize the differences. (This isn't the same as
(weighing the pros & cons of a choice between evils.)

 

[Left Coast]

I see people justify voting for politicians who stand
against what they value. Why & how? They ignore
or minimize the differences. (This isn't the same as
(weighing the pros & cons of a choice between evils.)

That's true, although I'm not sure what it has to do with what we're discussing? I was saying there are pros and cons of verbal communication and written communication.

 

[fantome profane]

That's too bad.
I was hoping for debates' demise.

Would you change your mind if a Libertarian candidate were included?

I think that might be a good response to this. If the Republicans don’t want to participate that is their decision. So let the Democrat debate the Libertarian, and perhaps the Green candidate as well. I think that would be more interesting.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But both Dems & Pubs do try their hardest though.
Presidential debates are as useful as a beauty pageant.
We get no information....just performances that manipulate
people susceptible to emotional impressions.

A thought though....
In any debate between politicians, they should skip the
pretense that it's about the issues. make it a talent &
swimsuit competition.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Revoltingest]

That's true, although I'm not sure what it has to do with what we're discussing? I was saying there are pros and cons of verbal communication and written communication.

OK.

 

[Revoltingest]

Would you change your mind if a Libertarian candidate were included?

That would be fascinating just cuz of the novelty.
But otherwise equally useless.

I think that might be a good response to this. If the Republicans don’t want to participate that is their decision. So let the Democrat debate the Libertarian, and perhaps the Green candidate as well. I think that would be more interesting.

I'd still skip it.
Unless there's a swimsuit competition.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you sure about that?

Ew.