Good bye one and all

[Walkntune]

Irony alert.

But in all honesty... the creation vs evolution "debate" is really people who understand biology trying to educate people who don't... unfortunately...some people (creationist) who don't don't understand biology don't want to understand it.

I don't dind this statement true or fair as I don't think biology is key inunderstanding evolution.If this is really true and I wanted to understand evolution then I would start with humans themselves and figure out the difference between introverts and extroverts. I would see how even as children some like bright clothes and some like to be camouflaged the same as we see in the animal kingdom.I would start noticing a difference between the behaviors of the two and would see how introversion is not a disease (huge cause of insanity trying to turn an introvert into an extrovert)but an actual survival instinct.There is an underlying cause of behavior and thought that is beyond biological chemicals.You may notive that these attributes play a role in driving human behavior just as it does in the animal kingdom. The octopus's ability to camouflage itself and even imitate creatures it has never seen before is pretty amazing.
Then it would not be so difficult why people disagree.Unfortunately this is an extroverted world and science starts with preconceived ideas as pointed out above so
instead of underlying causes they start out with the chemical processes which is just an effect.
I know I have mentioned this a few times but I believe it can be key to understanding the evolution verses creation debate and I see truth in both sides.
I think human behavior and thought is instinctive and not as controlled as we may assume.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I say don't leave for good....just take a vacation. Yeah, some people just can't hold a civil conversation when they know they're
right & the other side is Satan's spawn. Economic issues are just as bad. So if/when you return, try to avoid certain posters.

""Now, a lifetime of experience has left me bitter and cynical." -Calvin

 

[Skwim]

I don't dind this statement true or fair as I don't think biology is key inunderstanding evolution.If this is really true and I wanted to understand evolution then I would start with humans themselves and figure out the difference between introverts and extroverts. I would see how even as children some like bright clothes and some like to be camouflaged the same as we see in the animal kingdom.I would start noticing a difference between the behaviors of the two and would see how introversion is not a disease (huge cause of insanity trying to turn an introvert into an extrovert)but an actual survival instinct.There is an underlying cause of behavior and thought that is beyond biological chemicals.You may notive that these attributes play a role in driving human behavior just as it does in the animal kingdom. The octopus's ability to camouflage itself and even imitate creatures it has never seen before is pretty amazing.
Then it would not be so difficult why people disagree.Unfortunately this is an extroverted world and science starts with preconceived ideas as pointed out above so
instead of underlying causes they start out with the chemical processes which is just an effect.
I know I have mentioned this a few times but I believe it can be key to understanding the evolution verses creation debate and I see truth in both sides.
I think human behavior and thought is instinctive and not as controlled as we may assume.

What a perfect example of just the kind of people Atomist is talking about: "people who don't don't understand biology [and] don't want to understand it." Your reply couldn't have been better.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I say don't leave for good....just take a vacation. Yeah, some people just can't hold a civil conversation when they know they're
right & the other side is Satan's spawn. Economic issues are just as bad. So if/when you return, try to avoid certain posters.

"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I say don't leave for good....just take a vacation. Yeah, some people just can't hold a civil conversation when they know they're
right & the other side is Satan's spawn. Economic issues are just as bad. So if/when you return, try to avoid certain posters.

"The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little pratice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog!" -Calvin

 

[sandy whitelinger]

. Yeah, some people just can't hold a civil conversation...

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -Calvin

 

[Walkntune]

What a perfect example of just the kind of people Atomist is talking about: "people who don't don't understand biology [and] don't want to understand it." Your reply couldn't have been better.

Lets just say I understand why those who rely on biology do.I understand why some have to say short sarcastic snappy answers to draw attention to themselves also instead of
having respectful discussions.Keeps me from taking it personal.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't dind this statement true or fair as I don't think biology is key inunderstanding evolution.If this is really true and I wanted to understand evolution then I would start with humans themselves and figure out the difference between introverts and extroverts. I would see how even as children some like bright clothes and some like to be camouflaged the same as we see in the animal kingdom.I would start noticing a difference between the behaviors of the two and would see how introversion is not a disease (huge cause of insanity trying to turn an introvert into an extrovert)but an actual survival instinct.There is an underlying cause of behavior and thought that is beyond biological chemicals.You may notive that these attributes play a role in driving human behavior just as it does in the animal kingdom.

Sorry, but how does this relate to the ToE?

 

[Sunstone]

Trying to determine what other people's motives are is almost always difficult. It's akin to attempting to read minds. We usually decide that whatever would move us in their circumstances has moved them and we call that their motivation. So to say you have an understanding of why people believe in creation and why others accept evolution risks a rapid descent into the wildest and most unfounded speculations.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I don't think biology is key in understanding evolution.

That explains a lot.

 

[Sunstone]

That explains a lot.

Indeed.

 

[tumbleweed41]

That is like saying "I don't think Chemistry is important in understanding the reaction of elements in electrolysis"

 

[Walkntune]

Sorry, but how does this relate to the ToE?

They are survival traits.

 

[Walkntune]

That explains a lot.

To assume everything is physical in a universal sea that is more energy than physical is a foolish notion.

 

[tumbleweed41]

To assume everything is physical in a universal sea that is more energy than physical is a foolish notion.

To assume that biology does not deal with both energy and matter(physical) shows an ignorance of biology.

 

[LuisDantas]

Thing is, a biological theory, naturally enough, deals with biological concepts. Not necessarily with their extrapolations nor with the alternate meanings of the same terms in other fields.

BTW, "evolution" is not a particularly accurate word for the biological concept. It does not have a planned outcome or a desired effect, despite the usual conotations of that word in other contexts.

 

[Skwim]

Lets just say I understand why those who rely on biology do.I understand why some have to say short sarcastic snappy answers to draw attention to themselves also instead of
having respectful discussions.Keeps me from taking it personal.

Errr . . . speaking of answers that draw attention to themselves, pot. And believe me, it wasn't meant sarcastically. Your reply was perfect and couldn't have been more timely.

 

[Walkntune]

Errr . . . speaking of answers that draw attention to themselves, pot. And believe me, it wasn't meant sarcastically. Your reply was perfect and couldn't have been more timely.

My theories have were not meant to be dogmatic.I do have to smile though as this thread has been the very proof of its own topic.

 

[LuisDantas]

You don't have to choose between being dogmatic or just plain wrong, you know.

 

[Walkntune]

You don't have to choose between being dogmatic or just plain wrong, you know.

To assume I am wrong about possibilities of how introverts and extroverts have different survival traits that can even cause a difference in perception of how they might see and perceive reality would be dogmatic.If it is wrong I would like to see your facts. If you don't notice at least a pattern in behaviours then I hope you are not into the sciences.