Good Arguments that are Pro-God

[9-10ths_Penguin]

actually yes. when i was an atheist, i was sure that god was part of time. but everything changed with the thought that god is beyond time. and god being beyond time has sense, because how time started then, if not for god.

“Starting” happens inside time.

 

[syo]

So from outside of time, nothing ever changes, nothing starts, nothing ends.
All moments in time are basically simultaneous when seen from outside of time.
Or so I'd assume - things of that nature are speculative and probably beyond human understanding.

exactly, that's what god is. unchangeable and eternal and a mystery to us.

Also, could you please elaborate on how would that be an argument for the existence of a deity? Just because you don't have another explanation it must be a deity that caused it?

i don't know what started time, but something must have started it. i call that something god, something beyond nature. the question is, how time started?

 

[syo]

“Starting” happens inside time.

is there time zero? zero seconds?

 

[Liu]

exactly, that's what god is. unchangeable and eternal and a mystery to us.

i don't know what started time, but something must have started it. i call that something god, something beyond nature. the question is, how time started?

I see. Huh, you are even less a theist than I am, I suppose. My deity concept at least has/is consciousness, yours is basically only the primal cause.

We don't really know whether time ever had a beginning, nor whether our timeline is the only one. Perhaps our universe is just part of a much more complex multi-dimensional one in which time is not merely linear?

 

[syo]

I see. Huh, you are even less a theist than I am, I suppose. My deity concept at least has/is consciousness, yours is basically only the primal cause.

We don't really know whether time ever had a beginning, nor whether our timeline is the only one. Perhaps our universe is just part of a much more complex multi-dimensional one in which time is not merely linear?

yes, perhaps there is multidimensional universe. time is a mystery.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

is there time zero? zero seconds?

I don’t know. But I do know that “before time zero” is as meaningless as “north of the North Pole.”

 

[Twilight Hue]

is there time zero? zero seconds?

Depends if all processes stop. Even then, I suppose one could measure it by time.

 

[syo]

I don’t know. But I do know that “before time zero” is as meaningless as “north of the North Pole.”

Depends if all processes stop. Even then, I suppose one could measure it by time.

time is a mystery to us.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

time is a mystery to us.

Except to you. You claim to know that time can “start” and that we need a god to do it.

 

[RedDragon94]

actually yes. when i was an atheist, i was sure that god was part of time. but everything changed with the thought that god is beyond time. and god being beyond time has sense, because how time started then, if not for god.

Hmm, so time is evidence for God. Cool.

 

[RedDragon94]

The closest that ever came was the time Brad Warner mentioning the universe is not entirely comprised of dead matter.

Of course I suspect the version of God Brad Warner referred to is by no means close to what people think a God is or should be.

No, probably not. His books look interesting.

 

[Foxic]

If you are a skeptic about the whole concept of faith, have you ever heard a good argument for God?

Nope.

 

[RedDragon94]

Nope.

Alright then, thank you for filling out my survey. (PS there is no survey)

 

[Mock Turtle]

It saves having to do any thinking - apart from then having to perhaps choose a religion?

 

[Liu]

It saves having to do any thinking - apart from then having to perhaps choose a religion?

I'd actually let that count as an argument. But it doesn't really apply to all religions. Many members of my religion believe that our deity wants us to think a lot...

 

[Mock Turtle]

I'd actually let that count as an argument. But it doesn't really apply to all religions. Many members of my religion believe that our deity wants us to think a lot...

It was a bit mean-spirited of me.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you are a skeptic about the whole concept of faith, have you ever heard a good argument for God?

I don't think so. If anything, as time goes on I keep stumbling into reasons for no one to take the idea too seriously.

 

[RedDragon94]

I don't think so. If anything, as time goes on I keep stumbling into reasons for no one to take the idea too seriously.

Okay.