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Discussion in 'Theism' started by ZenMonkey, Oct 25, 2019.

  1. ZenMonkey

    ZenMonkey St. James VII

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    I like that ... Say I'm 3' 2 " and another next to me is 4' 2" and the guy next to the one next to me is 7'8" .. Either way I'm small compared to both and the 7'8" guy is big compared to both, but the 4'2" is big compared to me, so yeah ... I see what you're saying. It's relative to each individual. I like peach milkshakes. To me they are the best. The other guy likes chocolate. To him they are the best. It's relative and both views true and false.
     
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    ZenMonkey St. James VII

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    Ok, laws of the land ... like physics is what I assume is meant. How can a Christian possible obey the laws of the land and remain peaceful and be obedient to their faith in warzones and what not, which takes me to your last point. Jesus told us to buy swords. I'll assume it wasn't for show and tell. As for relationships ... Peaceful and happy are two very different things.
     
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    I agree with what you stated mostly, but there are larger, err... I mean greater applications which are more individual. Some champion selflessness, but not me ... Some derive a sense of self worth? That's kinda crazy how that works isn't it? Self worth through selflessness or denying self to gain self worth doesn't make much sense. It's a bit of an oxymoron isn't it, the irony in that wreaks of insecurity, which is the exact opposite of self worth.
     
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    ZenMonkey St. James VII

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    Then it's all love cause in my view it's all good ... even the nasty bits we sometimes hate. If nothing else, the rage and upheaval that motivates change, that demands change, the outrage we feel at the evils and hurt that leads us to stand and do something about them. It could definitely be better, more perfect, more pleasing, and ever increasingly so, but we gotta get past a certain point before we walk into that type of reality.
     
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    Welcome to the forum.
    Do you have a question?
     
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    there are two types of love.


    love as self and love of other as self. some do not mature to love of other as self. these are known as hypocrites. love of self is only healthy and exclusive as the absolute. hatred doesn't lead to a positive. it leads to chaos and confusion either to self, or other as self.
     
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    co-exist together.
     
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    Yes I agree, that falls under "Hurt Never"

    You did this? Some do this, and with proper technique they don't get hurt "stepping on hot coals". I experiment a lot, not this one yet.
     
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    There is a simple answer!
    Before doing something, think what would happen if everybody did the same.
    Than try to asses how long the human specie can prosper in that situation.
    You need to consider the action without any filters.

    For example, if you say, Lets kills the weak people, examine the result of everyone killing (without the filter).
    Obviously the result will end humanity quite fast, so we can easily determine its good to kill someone (yes! even if there is a good reason to do so)

    The complexity begins when we add the filters. Oh.. its good to kill someone if he is an enemy.
    No, it is not good even if at times there is no choice (as we are very young social specie).
     
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    Sorry. You obviously got the wrong measurement here. :D
    But it does highlight one reason why we need one set standard for everything - we think differently.

    I wasn't saying what you were thinking. I was saying, there is a standard of measurement for everything. Let me explain.
    Suppose the word fat was never coined, or slim, for that matter. Would we consider something to be fat, or slim? Likely not. We would know they are differences, but how would we describe those differences?
    What if there was no metric system, or no measuring tape, or ruler, or system of measuring, we could not know what is three inches, or three feet.
    Someone set these standards.

    Same with good and evil. If there is no set standard of good and evil, how would we determine what is good and evil, because everyone thinks differently, and have a different conscience... if any. :(

    I think the moral standards are already set, the same way the laws of the universe have been set, but I think there is a mass of confusion that prevents people from adopting those standards.

    It's comparable to a compass in a field of magnets.
    Would the compass read accurately?
    Hope you understand.
     
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    Hate can be an emotional reaction. On the other hand, one should always lead with their reason half. Taking a few steps back to analyze the reasons for hate along with the results of hate, one will see hate hurts everyone.

    Isn't it better working on steps that will bring the best results?

    There are many times I have seen people get angry and hateful until they cooled off allowing their reason half to take the lead again. They usually come back regretting their emotional outburst. This is no big deal. It's just a lesson to learn. It has always been better to Think then Act than to simply react. It can take discipline. however working toward that goal moves one forward.

    It's been a long time, however in my young days, I experienced hate in some form. Hate is really not a part of my life now. It is no longer a viable choice.

    Just as Unconditional Love always does what is Best for the other, I tend to try fix the problem rather than return any hate given to me.

    As for adversity that knocks on my door, I tend to try and see how it changes myself and others around me. I will walk ever forward bringing those around me.

    Everyone has the Power to Choose how they value things. If one no longer values the petty things like judging, blaming,punishing, hating,revenge or payback, controlling, intimidating, coercing, selfishness and etc, that so many people hold so dear, it leaves the door open for all the Love, Kindness, and Goodness that does exist around us all.

    I know many many people feel like victims in some way, however we all can Choose how we create so much of our lives. As I see it, since our actions return to teach us what our actions really mean, it becomes important to Think then Act rather than simply react. Still, we will learn, in time, regardless. On the other hand, one should not be their worst enemy.
     
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    Again let me go to the Bible....Christians can certainly obey the laws of the land but they are relative to God's laws.

    Acts 5:27-29...when the apostles were arrested for defying the order not to preach Jesus Christ...
    "So they brought them and stood them before the Sanʹhe·drin. Then the high priest questioned them 28 and said: “We strictly ordered you not to keep teaching on the basis of this name, and yet look! you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you are determined to bring the blood of this man upon us.” 29 In answer Peter and the other apostles said:We must obey God as ruler rather than men."

    So obeying the laws of the land can be done as long as they do not conflict with God's laws. In warzones Christians are to take a neutral position. In the first century when Israel was under Roman domination, nowhere will you find Jesus advocating that his disciples join in the Jewish revolt that was pending at the time. Masada was not a place for Christians. What an horrendous outcome!
    Masada—Why Did It Happen? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

    Read the account and see that he told his apostles only on that occasion to buy swords....and only two swords were purchased; Jesus said "it is enough". An armed mob approached to arrest Jesus, so two swords would have been nigh on to useless. So why did he tell his apostles to buy them? When Peter used one, Jesus reprimanded him. They were to demonstrate that although armed, they would not resort to violence, even to protect the son of God.

    Jesus never told "us" to buy swords....or weapons of any sort. Paul's words confirm that we are not to use 'carnal weapons' and to "return evil for evil to no one". We are to "conquer evil with good."

    Matthew 26:52-54....after Peter took off the slave's ear....
    "Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels? 54 In that case, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must take place this way?”

    Substitute the word "gun" for "sword" and you will see exactly what Jesus meant. There can be no justification for bloodshed. No excuse for taking vengeance as the scriptures said. If you justify actions that God condemns, how can you stand before him as an obedient servant?

    It was prophesied in Isaiah 53:7 ....
    "He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted,
    But he would not open his mouth.
    He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter,
    Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers,
    And he would not open his mouth."


    Jesus did not try to evade arrest or to resist in any way. His apostles also, when they were arrested did not resist. And even on the occasion when a strong earthquake sprang open the doors of the jail, they did not try to flee.
    The Jailer was going to commit suicide because he imagined that all his prisoners would have escaped, but he and his whole family became believers because of the exemplary conduct of these men.

    No political conflict can draw a Christian in if they are true followers of Christ. You cannot love your enemies with a gun...a tank....or a bomb.

    A person can only be truly peaceful and happy if they are obedient to God in all things....not just the in things that are convenient.
     
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    Christians make this super-easy. Good is Christ. Evil is against Christ.
     
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    And thereby all are failing miserably !
    As Bible tells us "Thou shall not judge"
     
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    I try not to hate people, but sometimes I get to the point where I kinda do. Define love again. You're definition has no substance and would be relative and subjective to each individual.
     
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    ZenMonkey St. James VII

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    Yup ... Good and evil do too as doeas "God and Devil" You can't have one without the other ... They're the same like water ice and steam, like cold, warm, and hot, etc
     
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    I'm sure, but the gist is for some stepping on hot coals hurts and it is an evil to them. Look the definition for calamity aka "evil" ... It boild down to being **** we don't like or enjoy and yes ... we hate it. I can say we too.
     
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    Ummm ... ok .... Ummm .... How about you worry about you and yours and I'll wory about me and mine and we'll probably get along just fine ya know?
     
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    I think you understand my position nicely.
     
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