Gods with no beginning

[columbus]

God reveals some of His attributes to us through Prophets and Messengers.

I don't believe this because it's irrational and primitive. God doesn't need human beings to speak for Him.
Tom

 

[Muslim-UK]

I don't believe this because it's irrational and primitive. God doesn't need human beings to speak for Him.
Tom

Anyone could claim to be hearing God's voice in their head. Prophets on the other hand come with supernatural signs and a message that resonates with the people.

 

[columbus]

Anyone could claim to be hearing God's voice in their head. Prophets on the other hand come with supernatural signs and a message that resonates with the people.

Or stories about supernatural signs and stories that resonate with similar people.
Like Muhammad's followers who wanted to reproduce Muhammad's success as a warlord.
Tom

 

[Muslim-UK]

Or stories about supernatural signs and stories that resonate with similar people.
Like Muhammad's followers who wanted to reproduce Muhammad's success as a warlord.
Tom

Who in the 7th Century Arabia knew the Universe started with a Big Bang, then expanded rapidly, and from the gasses Planets were formed and eventually the Universe will lead to the Big Crunch?

Who knew that following the Prophet's death, the weakened Romans would defeat the stronger Persian Empire, and the Muslims would in turn become the dominant power?

Who knew a day would come when barefooted nomads would compete with each other to make the tallest buildings?

Who knew Oil would be discovered and people would fight over it?

Who knew the Earth's core was made up mostly of Iron?

Let me know. As for being a Warlord, stop reading anti Islamic sources and read from genuine sources, and if that's asking too much to ask, then read what secular Historians have to say.

Thomas Carlyle:
"The lies which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only. A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Everything we observe within the cosmos is within the known Universe. God tells us He is above His creation.

But the universe itself isn't within the universe... do you agree?

 

[columbus]

Who in the 7th Century Arabia knew the Universe started with a Big Bang, then expanded rapidly, and from the gasses Planets were formed and eventually the Universe will lead to the Big Crunch?

Nobody.
And I have already heard a bunch of weak Muslim arguments trying to interpret modern science into primitive ancient writings. It leaves me more convinced that Muslims will make up stuff to stroke their own egos.
Tom

 

[Muslim-UK]

But the universe itself isn't within the universe... do you agree?

The universe is commonly defined as everything that exists.[1] It includes all kinds of physical matter and energy, the planets, stars, galaxies, and all the contents of space.

Universe - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The universe is commonly defined as everything that exists.[1]

But you said that it doesn't include God. So does God not exist, or is your definition wrong?

Edit: also, you didn't answer my question.

 

[Maponos]

It depends on what you mean as having no beginning. It the beginning, there was Chaos, which isn't really perceived of as a deity itself. Nyx (Night), Erebus (Darkness), Eros (Love) and others came forth from Chaos, so does that count as a parent or as a non-beginning? Japanese mythology has very similar themes.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

So which of the deities that you know about off the top of your head had no beginning?

It seems most of the deities I read about have parents, therefore have a beginning.

If God always existed, what did he do before he created other spirits and people?

Does anyone else find it quite difficult to fathom having no beginning... Always existing... That means 500 trillion years ago or the equivalent of that, God would have been doing or pondering something ... What do you think he did?

The dimension of time apparently came to be with and within our 4 dimensional universe. Quantumland, which is external to the cosmos, from without and within, is timeless. So without time, God "always existing" is meaningless.

 

[GoodguyWeirdwas]

Humans understand beginnings, endings, first and last as words we use to speak about things that are subject to the Laws of the Universe. Time and space exist within the Universe and this was Created by GOD, who exists outside of His creation.

Well said!