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Featured Gods will or Free will. Which dominates?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by We Never Know, May 11, 2021.

  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    I see many post about god's will and free will.. so I'm asking which has the biggest influence on human choices and why?
     
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  2. We Never Know

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    But didn't god give you free will so you may choose to go against his will?
     
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    Humans are quite wishy washy, so not much 'will power', hence not much 'free will'

    Better call it 'free choice'

    Even that might be debatable
     
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    Can I pick none of the above?
     
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    Sure!
     
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    Yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no haha I don’t really know what to tell you
     
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    Wow, that is a big question, I have to say that you outdid yourself this time. :)
    This is something I wonder about often, how much of what happens to me is determined by fate vs. free will?
    I do not think we can know the answer to that question, only God knows since God has control of our fate.

    Since I have discussed free will at length, here is something wrote up about free will:

    Humans have the will/ability to make choices based upon their desires and preferences. Our desires and preferences come from a combination of factors such as childhood upbringing, heredity, education, adult experiences, and present life circumstances. How free they are varies with the situation. Certainly what we refer to as “free will” has many constraints, se we cannot do whatever we might want to do. However, we have the ability to make some choices in life. Otherwise, we would just be at the mercy of our past experiences and our heredity.

    Free will only applies to making moral choices or life decisions like marriage and career choices, or even simpler things like you want to go to the grocery store or a movie or post on a forum.

    Free will does not apply to the things we are compelled to do or things we have no control over, such as eating, sleeping, diseases, injuries, misfortunes, and death. We are not responsible for the things we are compelled to do or the things which we have no control over, we are only responsible for the moral choices we make, such as being nice to someone or mean, rude or courteous.

    Only if someone is incarcerated do they lose the freedom of choice. That is why going to prison is the worst punishment, other than getting the death sentence, which also takes away your choice to live.

    You can read more about free will and how it interacts with God's will on this link: 70: FREE WILL
     
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    No, because God can override your free will at any time since God is all-powerful.
    Nobody can go against God's will... Whatever happens only happens because God allows it to happen even though we cause it to happen by a free will decision we make.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    God's will is that we have free will.
     
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    I believe God’s will. Everything including human life is designed within certain parameters which it cannot circumvent. Every person must die. We only have choice so far as moral choices. We must eat and sleep.
     
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    Free will.
    Gods will is optional.
    Even amongst his followers...

    See above
     
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    Knowing that we will never find peace until we submit our will to God’s, perhaps.

    So kind of a Catch 22 really.
     
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    Believe Christopher Hitchens answered that most excellently :)

     
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    God chose to give us free will .
     
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    This suggests they're somehow different...
     
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    For most, if not all, theists they are.
    God's will is what they are supposed to be doing.
    Free will is what they do.

    Sometimes they line up.
    Sometimes they do not line up.

    Now since no one can agree on what God's will is and is not.....
     
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    The truth to me lies in the transcending of that dualist choice. Since I have not done that, all I can do is hang on while the teeter-totter goes up and down.
     
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    Excuse me?
    If there is a God, God's will prevails, it's not optional....
    We can act as if our will prevails, but that does not change a thing, we are just imagining we are in control. :rolleyes:
     
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    Does not free will in fact make God's will optional?
    If God's will is not optional, then we have no free will, right?
     
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    When I said that God will prevails I meant that we can only act freely to the extent that God allows us to because ultimately God is in control of all things...
    God allows us to act freely but God can override our free will if He wants to because God is all-powerful.
    But since we can never know if or when God is doing anything it is best just to make our own choices and let the cards fall where they may.
     
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