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Gods only allowed this to create

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Jimmy, Oct 13, 2021.

  1. Jimmy

    Jimmy Well-Known Member

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    Why’s it so easy for science buffs to accept people who believe god created existence but not a young earth? Isn’t “CREATING” existence just as “WACKY”? Wouldn’t the most “SANE” thing to believe be that existence has no beginning or end? It’s kind of a joke really.
     
  2. Lain

    Lain I just told you who I thought I was...

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    Because in their view there is no evidence whatsoever for YEC but it seems more possible for God to have caused all things in the way they appear to be.
     
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    I think young-earth is a non-issue for anyone who cares how to interpret Genesis. YEC try to project planet Earth onto the first chapter of Genesis, but Genesis doesn't talk about planets. It doesn't even acknowledge that there is such a thing as planets. It acknowledges only ground and sky and water surrounding the land. The water separates to form land, much like the red sea is miraculously divided in Exodus. Just like there the waters separate from the waters, so dry land may appear.
     
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  4. Nakosis

    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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    IMO, it is really hard to fathom an eternal universe.
    I think an eternal universe is most likely true as well. I can't imagine something from nothing.
    A lot of things science can test and validate.
    I don't think science is ready to make that argument though.
     
  5. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
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    Apples and oranges.
    The age of the Earth is a measurable, physical thing. A God creating existence is not, it's an assertion of agency, not an observable, testable thing or mechanism.

    There is reason to believe the existence of the universe had a beginning. There is none for this God of yours.
     
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  6. Jimmy

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    In your opinion
     
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  7. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    Do you seek an actual open debate over these issues or are you simply on a search for like minded people to laugh at Godless Scientists?
     
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  8. Jimmy

    Jimmy Well-Known Member

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    Be concerned with yourself
     
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    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    Your intentions were not clear from the OP, which is why I am asking you directly.
     
  10. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
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    In the opinion of every person with any knowledge of the subject.
    There's certainly more evidence for it than there is for Ussher's Biblical chronology.
     
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    The serious lack of evidence for any gods and a creation via a divine act is not a matter of opinion, there just is none. Some theists might think they have evidence but upon scrutiny this is never the case.
     
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    The funny think is many creationists are having to push their YEC scenario to about 10,000 years to make the known facts fit their beliefs. To my mind what it the point? The only reason for a YEC scenario is BECAUSE of Ussher. If his timeline doesn't work, throw it whole idea out.
     
  13. Firelight

    Firelight Not An Ape
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    Don’t overlook the FACT that scientists conveniently SKIP over MILLIONS and BILLIONS of years for which they have NO fossils and NO discoveries for. They have NOTHING to fill in those humongous gaps of time with. Their theories stretch over these gaps of time to include their dating timetables for the few fossils they do have and to force the evidence to connect. They hope nobody will notice these millions and billions of years that must be skipped over due to no evidence.

    Let’s throw out their timeline, it doesn’t work!
     
  14. Firelight

    Firelight Not An Ape
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    I don’t know who Ussher is, but one only needs to read the Old Testament to come up with a timeline.
     
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    It's not opinion at all, there's loads of evidence that earth is not young.
     
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    I don't think you know enough about geology, dating technique, the fossil record, taxonomy and even human history to make such a claim.
     
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    I don’t buy all evidence in life. You can though
     
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    I know how to notice and read humongous gaps in time. It’s not that difficult. I can read the dates that scientists give to these found fossils. There aren’t nearly enough fossils to cover all the millions and billions of years that they claim the earth has existed.

    But, if you want to re-do their time charts to account for each year, let’s see it. Just account for each millionth year, that should make it easier.
     
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    No need to buy it, you can research for free.
     
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    Really? Give examples of these huge billion year gaps. I'm really curious what you are talking about.
     
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