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Gods Of Yourselves

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Sleeppy, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Is free will analogous to being God of oneself?

    God

    5) The one 1) Supreme Being, 2) the creator and 3) ruler of the universe.

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    1) Do you hold supremacy of will?

    2) Do you create? Morality? Good? Bad?

    3) Do you rule over yourself? Others? Other things? Territories?

    4) Is free will autolatrous? Do you perform acts of pleasure and precedence to oneself?

    Autolatry

    Self-worship.

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    5) Idolatry? Do you also worship a God, that you relegate power (not Supremacy) to on a Judgement Day?
     
  2. Jesster

    Jesster Friendly skeptic
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    By your definition of God (and any other widely accepted definition I've seen), no.
     
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  3. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    Besides, we don't have 100% (godly) free will. We have the ability to make choices within fairly limited constraints. Given the choices many people make totally free will would be incredibly dangerous.
     
  4. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    And some are more free than others it seems. That's how I see free will.
     
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    Do you see some kind of actual free will in operation then Ymster? Rather than it just being a fiction?
     
  6. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist You are safe

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    Dont know if the questions where written to be answered.
    Yes. Only of my own life. I cant control and dont want to control others.

    Yes. What is good to me is not always good to someone else. Some people find killing someone for certain crimes moral where I believe killing in itself immoral when it isnt done to survive.

    We do create morals for ourselves as we learn more about our essense and core values that define us.

    Myself. Parents over their families. Me over my students. I disagree with "ruling" over people. Sounds political.

    No.

    No. All of that is foreign to me.
     
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  7. Amani_Bhava

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    It would be if one had complete free will.

    I wanted to be 6 ft tall. But it didn't happen. Ergo, I do not have free will.

    To elaborate a bit - what we are - our skin color, our parents, financial status of the family we are raised in, our height and shape of our body, our IQ .. is completely out of our control.

    We are left with a tiny bit of free will .. e.g. -- when facing insurmountable obstacles shall we jump off the 30th floor or 70th floor, when eating burger shall we eat more french fries or less, whiskey with water or neat ... things like that.

    namaste

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  8. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    I think you have a misconception of free will. Fairy tale wishing is not free will. We might not have 100% free will but many seem to have a lot. Not enough?
     
  9. Amani_Bhava

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    Free will is open to interpretations. I might have a different understanding than you.

    Wishing I will be 6 ft tall is not fairy tale dreaming. If I had free will I would be 6 ft tall. I do not have free will since my genes determine my height.

    "Many seem to have a lot" not everyone

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  10. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    OK.
     
  11. Audie

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    What odd things to be thinking about!
     
  12. syo

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    a very tiny god, yes.
     
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  13. 'mud

    'mud ~~ Life is Stuff ~~
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    I'll second that !
     
  14. Phantasman

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    Even the dictionary cannot identify God (the Father).

    Names given to the worldly are very deceptive, for they divert our thoughts from what is correct to what is incorrect. Thus one who hears the word "God" does not perceive what is correct, but perceives what is incorrect. So also with "the Father" and "the Son" and "the Holy Spirit" and "life" and "light" and "resurrection" and "the Church (Ekklesia)" and all the rest - people do not perceive what is correct but they perceive what is incorrect, unless they have come to know what is correct. The names which are heard are in the world [...] deceive. If they were in the Aeon (eternal realm), they would at no time be used as names in the world. Nor were they set among worldly things. They have an end in the Aeon.- Gospel of Philip

    "He is the invisible Spirit, of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him, since everything exists in him. For it is he who establishes himself. He is eternal, since he does not need anything. For he is total perfection. He did not lack anything, that he might be completed by it; rather he is always completely perfect in light. He is illimitable, since there is no one prior to him to set limits to him. He is unsearchable, since there exists no one prior to him to examine him. He is immeasurable, since there was no one prior to him to measure him. He is invisible, since no one saw him. He is eternal, since he exists eternally. He is ineffable, since no one was able to comprehend him to speak about him. He is unnameable, since there is no one prior to him to give him a name.- Secret John

    Which is why Jesus used parables, IMO.
     
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