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Featured God's language in Genesis?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Eddi, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. dfnj

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    I think it has to do with the spiritual idea of having a trinity. The trinity is thought of as three different aspects of God. The Father God part is thought of as the ground of all being. Father God is the ultimate consciousness. Father God is the ultimate source of being. God is the "I am the I am".

    But Father God is differentiated from two other functions in the World. There is the principle of Form. And there is the principle of Energy.

    The principle of Form is known at the Word of God. The Word of God is the division of all things. God divides the whole into parts, light from darkness, Heavens from Earth, which brought is about by speaking or the breath of God. God said, "Let there be light" etc. Also known as the Son where the Son is a separate from Father God.

    The third principle is of Energy. This is experienced as movement and change. Or the experience of time itself. Energy is what flows through all of existence. Also known as the Holy Spirit. God is composed of all three of these aspects. God is often thought of as being an old man with beard who acts like a tyrant. I think this is the wrong view. God is one but having all three aspects. The three together form a "Unity of opposites" which gives rise to the meaning of all things.

    google, "Unity of opposites - Wikipedia"

    I read somewhere but I cannot find the quote God is the knower, the Son is the known, and the Holy Spirit is the love between them.

    The three aspects of God come up with Apophatic theology. I really like this quote:

    "Dionysius describes the kataphatic or affirmative way to the divine as the "way of speech": that we can come to some understanding of the Transcendent by attributing all the perfections of the created order to God as its source. In this sense, we can say "God is Love", "God is Beauty", "God is Good". The apophatic or negative way stresses God's absolute transcendence and unknowability in such a way that we cannot say anything about the divine essence because God is so totally beyond being. The dual concept of the immanence and transcendence of God can help us to understand the simultaneous truth of both "ways" to God: at the same time as God is immanent, God is also transcendent. At the same time as God is knowable, God is also unknowable. God cannot be thought of as one or the other only"

    google, "Apophatic theology - Wikipedia"

    This idea occurs in nature as well. We have what we call objects or objective reality which is like the word of God. And you have the laws of physics which is like the Holy Spirit flowing through the Universe. And Father God is the observer or the experience of Time. The Universe is like the body of God. And time is like blood flowing through God's body. And the mind of God transcends it all.

    The ritual of communion is intended to experience the trinity in the moment. The body of Christ is the word of God, the blood of Christ is the Holy Spirit, and the ritual is meant for us to appreciate the great presence of God in the moment.

    The idea of a trinity as a source of meaning most likely exists in every major religion throughout the World. In Taoism there's a saying, "From the one comes the two, from the two comes the three, from the three comes the 10,000 things."

    "In The Tibetan Book of the Dead, the “Three Bodies of Buddhahood,” present triadic levels of existence. A person is responsible for his or herself on all three levels. As Buddhahood, the triad becomes the Three Buddha Bodies; ordinary body becoming the Emanation Body, speech the Beatific Body, and the mind the Truth Body. The three Buddha Bodies correlate with body, mind and spirit, and we might go so far as to say with the concept of the Father as God, the Son as personhood and the Holy Spirit as the process by which a person becomes one with God, and also suggest a more unified and process-oriented explanation for the Trinity."

    google, "The Perfect Number - Trinity Symbolism in World Religious Traditions"

    The trinity is one of my most cherished spiritual concepts. I cannot imagine a religion or belief system worth having without it.

    Matter = Yin = Body = Principle of Form = Body of Christ
    Energy = Yang = Mind = Principle of Energy = Blood of Christ
    Time = Tao = Spirit = God as the ultimate source of being = Father God

    Without having a trinity in spirituality nothing would have a meaning.

    Whether energy came first or matter I don't think it matters (wow, nice pun). This has to do with the trinity being opposing principles caught in a field of tension, that is a unity of opposites, has probably been going on for an insanely long amount of time. Especially if you accept the premise our Big Bang was the result of a star collapsing to black hole in a previously existing space-time dimension.

    The last few days I've been spending time studying panpsychism. This is the idea that consciousness occurs in many different forms and is an essential part of the fabric of existence.

    Panpsychism - Wikipedia
     
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  2. dfnj

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    Most likely He speaks Babylonian.
     
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    At least as believed by Babylonians, but I prefer Sumerian, but maybe better yet Australpithian or Neanderthal.
     
  4. MNoBody

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    none of the angels discussed in any of that literature ever spoke hebrew....they had their own language
    -they would not tell their name when asked as it was marvelous [incomprehensible] to the human hebrews talking with them;
    -as the test to enter pardes put to the entrant by the angelic being guarding the gate... the language speeds up to incomprehensibility to the ear as human language as it become something more subtle.....fail the test you get turned away.
    so why assume any god-being would speak a human tongue of any sort?
    besides, talking is not very efficient at transmitting information....too subject to misinterpretation....
    direct consciousness to consciousness would be far more efficient... certainly more godlike than barking at each other like naked apes.
     
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    These are your beliefs. I'm giving you the Jewish belief and within that belief the language is important.
     
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    I think it's more accurate to say that the two myths have a lot of similarities, but that doesn't mean that the story in Genesis comes from anywhere else.
     
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    This true, but the basis is the evidence of the nature of hundreds of thousands of years of humanity, and the serious question 'Can any one of the many diverse conflicting beliefs that claim the one True God or Gods of their culture and language is the one true God or maybe Gods. If God exists and Crated our physical existence and all of humanity there is a serious contradiction in the nature of God who would not be a universal God beyond any one culture, language or religion.

    The proto-Hebrew language is basically proto Canaanite only from about ~1200-1000 BCE, and the names of the Gods in ancient Hebrew villages..
     
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    The evidence is clear, not only the myths, but the Hebrew language evolved and originated from these older cultures not only Sumerian, but such as Babylonian Phoenician, Egyptian and Canaanite. The Hebrew language is not that old by the evidence. The oldest known porto-Sinitic writing is Egyptian, and the root of Hierogliphics.

    Regardless of what you believe concerning Judaism the evidence is that their language and Gods evolved from more ancient cultures of the Middle East.
     
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    Well, it’s hardly belief. There is existent evidence that this is so. However, if that’s your prevailing Tradition, that’s another matter and I have no argument with it.
     
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    Bible scholars will differ with your position. Again, I have no beef with your theological Tradition.
     
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    God does have a "pure language" -which is based on his perspective.

    Human languages are based on an incomplete human perspective -which is why they allow for so much confusion and must be changed as we see things more clearly.

    It is likely that whatever language they spoke in Eden became mixed with others as they and their descendants mixed with other people.
    (The bible does not actually say Adam was the first humanoid -but the first to be made in God's image/with the potential for eternal life
    -Cain found a wife in Nod -and was also worried that others who found him would kill him)

    God will eventually give us a pure language!

    Zeph 3:9For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
     
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    1. Japanese. I believe Japanese is the divine language. Unlike other languages, it also isn't known where it came from. Of the existing world languages, it is most like a celestial language, since it is well adapted to speaking complex ideas in as few characters as possible (Chinese/kanji) while also being able to sound out syllables. There are also numerous myths and legends about immortals, and their myth essentially states that the Emperor's line is basically from this. Obviously, the first Japanese were angels. This view, however, is not canon.
    光 が あります (Hikari ga arimasu, or "there is light")
    2. He spoke to his angels. These would be those who would carry out complex orders,like making a self-sustaining world with life in it.
    3. Adam and Eve probably were speaking Proto-Indo-European. Indo-European is the root of most existing languages, and this would be the early form of that. This would be the language prior to all other languages splitting.
     
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    The language of this time and place was most likely Sumerian or Akkadian.
     
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    The evidence is clear, not only the myths, but the Hebrew language evolved and originated from these older cultures not only Sumerian, but such as Babylonian Phoenician, Egyptian and Canaanite. The Hebrew language is not that old by the evidence. The oldest known porto-Sinitic writing is Egyptian, and the root of Hierogliphics.

    Regardless of what you believe concerning Judaism the evidence is that their language and Gods evolved from more ancient cultures of the Middle East.
     
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    . . . and they spoke oa panthon of Gods.
     
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    It's said, falsely I believe, that Christianity "evolved" from Judaism.
    Those ancients who gave us the Hebrew bible was quite prescient
    in their Messianic vision, and seeing that the Jewish people would
    not be like the Akkadians, Edomites, Moabites etc but a unique
    people who would maintain their genetic, cultural and territorial
    heritage long after all their fellow peoples were gone.
    And in the same light, so too was the religion of the Jews unique.
     
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    I believe that the Bible is a spiritual Book about spiritual matters written in often beautiful symbolic spiritual prose with deep, deep meanings which cannot be understood through a literal reading.

    For instance, I believe a Day in the creation of God in the Genesis contexts are specifically speaking about the number of Days in the Adamic Cycle in which a Prophet or Manifestation of God will appear.

    He is addressing humanity I believe, about the Adamic Cycle in my view which has about 7 Manifestations spanning about 7,000 years. Krishna, Buddha, Christ, Moses, Muhammad, Zoroaster, Abraham. (Just my view on a possible list)

    If these passages are taken literally then of course they are illogical and irrational as science proves the earth is billions of years old but if it is viewed in a spiritual capacity a cycle of 7,000 years each with a Manifestation not only makes sense but historically can be shown to have happened. Otherwise the passage is meaningless and superstition if it is viewed literally. Only my humble view.
     
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    Ok. Can you provide examples?
     
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    You appear to be a person who actually thinks for him/herself. My emails have an ending quote, "question everything" yes even myself, that means you do not take everything at face value. You are quite right to question quotes from the Bible, who wrote them, was anyone recording these quotes? how do you know what was said? These are valid questions throughout the Bible and no-one knows the answer. By asking the question what language did Adam And Eve speak you seem to accept that there was in fact an Adam and Eve, in truth there was not, why? because it doesn't make sense. I look at the Bible as a collection of myths written by people who, let's face it were not intellectual in any way, they thought the world was flat and magic was real. The big problem is these people had no concept of the nature of the universe and the divine so they wrote these stories that have no relationship to reality. We know far more about the nature of the Divine (God) now than they ever did 2000 years ago yet people act as if these ancients, for some reason knew more than we do now. How do we know about he nature of the Divine, the millions of people who have had a Near Death Experience (NDE) they have come face to face with the Divine, (as I did) and I know, yes know the unconditional love (God) I came face to face with was nothing like the Bible would have you believe. The God I met does not Hate, does not judge, is not vengeful, does not murder, nor any of the other man made negative emotions man has endowed the Divine with. So please. continue asking the right questions, that leads you to the truth,
     
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    Wow, that is an amazing conjecture. If it cannot be understood by literal meaning then what is the point of writing at all? just to confuse us?they certainly succeeded n that. Why can't they write it in a manner that does not require translation? How many days are there in an Adamic cycle?what, exactly is it anyway? What does the manifestation of God look like? What is the basis of the 7000 year cycle? Sorry but you appear to be on another level of existence or know something or think you know something outside of this reality.
     
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