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Featured God's Involvement in Your World

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Apr 15, 2022.

  1. SalixIncendium

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    I've read many times here that God wants, God loves, God hates, etc.

    Is your god concerned with worldly affairs? If so, why? To what end?

    What is your god's involvement in this world?
     
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  2. Xavier Graham

    Xavier Graham Your local anarchist. God is Love is Love is Love

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    In my philosophy, our worldly affairs effect Godly affairs. Reality as experienced through our mortal selves has a direct impact on the reality God exists in. It goes both ways I think. Humans should be concerned with the affairs of God, just as He is concerned with ours.
    God is locked in a cosmic battle versus evil, and our worldly affairs affect this battle, for better or worse.
    Zoroastrian thinking I feel like I’ve gotten this from.
     
  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    (As you know) I have no God, but whatever seems to happens to 'what exists' (Brahman), it does not care about it.
    Funny. What kind of omnipotent God is this who cannot eradicate evil?
     
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    Except for sending Messengers every 500-1000 years I do not believe God has anything to do with this world.
    I believe that the Messengers are God's Representatives on earth and they take care of God's business, communicating God's will and God's laws as they apply to humans.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    My non supernatural God is the entire universe.

    It's a beautiful display of humbling indifference and caretaking in a starry and terrestrial package that is both welcoming and terrifying.
     
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  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    So you are down from a 1000 years to 500 years. Did Bahaollah say this, or you are making it up on your own? What one believes is important only to him/her.
    Allah sent Mirza Ghulam Ahmad even in the life-time of Bahaollah.
     
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    I do believe God has a form of connection to our daily life, but i can not say how much or in what way.
    Because i do not know, my connection with God is not that strong
     
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    Baha'u'llah did not say this, I figured it out on my own by looking at who the true Messengers of God were.
    As you already know, I do not believe that Allah sent Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. I believe he was false prophet.
     
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    What’s important to me, is my involvement in God’s world. Do I live on self will, or do I ask God in prayer every day, what His will is for me?
     
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    God guides us and asks us to commit ourselves to the guidance given.

    Regards Tony
     
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  11. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Why do you believe that? What evidence did Bahaollah give any more than what Mirza Gulam Ahmad did?
     
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    So far as I can tell this world is place where we can choose to connect to goodness, God/ultimate reality or attempt to find out own satisfaction. I think other than the possibility for growth and embracing good there isn't really much the God cares about. This is all transitory and we can see if we look around no one solution will fix this reality. It's a place to strive and create and not a place to practice blind obedience to some ancient book or laws written by scribes who would never know our name. It's a place where realization is made possible.
     
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  13. TransmutingSoul

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    A trunk of books of the Writings of the Bab and Baha'u'llah were given to Mirza Gulam Ahmad, who studied them and later said he has mastered them.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Bahaollah also learnt things. How did he know Persian or Arabic? No one learns anything in his/her mother's womb except Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna.
    He knew how to enter a war formation (Chakaravyuha), but not the way to get out of it, because his mother slept.
     
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    Funny how Baha'is go out of their way to proclaim all religions are one... then tell us that some are false. The evidence Baha'is use to proclaim another religion as false, no doubt, is very similar to evidence people use to question the validity of the Baha'i Faith.

    But then the next question I ask Baha'is is that out of all the religions today, in how they are actually practiced and by what their followers actually believe, which ones are true? The answer I believe is none. I don't think Baha'is believe in any of them.
     
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  18. TransmutingSoul

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    That is one proof of how God is involved in my World, I have accepted the knowledge of Baha'u'llah was innate.

    A short story about that here.

    https://www.upliftingwords.org/post/childhood-of-bahaullah-life-of-bahaullah

    An extract.

    "... Early on, His parents recognized that Husayn-'Ali was an unusual child. His mother often wondered how a baby could be so happy and content all the time. "This child never cries!" she would exclaim.

    But what truly astonished them as they watched their young son grow was His extraordinary knowledge and wisdom. His simple education was no different from that given to other sons of the Persian nobility. Tutors came to His home to teach reading, writing, and Persian culture, just as they did for the other boys. Husayn-‘Ali learned to read the great Persian poets - 'Attar, Hafez, Rumi - as the other boys did, and to recite from the Koran, the holy book of Islam. He did not study science, for science was viewed with suspicion in nineteenth-century Persia, nor did He study philosophy or religion. Those were left to the mullas and mujtahids -- Muslim scholars who spent long years studying the teachings, laws, and traditions of Islam.

    Yet Husayn-'Ali showed a lively interest in spiritual topics, and from His boyhood He displayed a profound understanding of spiritual truth. His understanding was innate and reached far beyond the knowledge of His teachers. Although Husayn-‘Ali was never arrogant or boastful about the knowledge that came so easily to Him, neither was it something He could hide.

    As Husayn-‘Ali grew into a youth, His father could find Him, from time to time, deep in conversation with the most learned of men. They welcomed Him into their company despite His young age. His understanding of the Prophets and Their teachings, of the nature of God and the human spirit, added much to their discussions. By the time He was fourteen years old, Husayn-‘Ali’s innate knowledge and wisdom were recognized by all who knew Him.

    "Such intelligence! And such perception! He is as a flame of fire," Mirza Buzurg said. "Even at this young age He surpasses mature men."..."

    You get to see it all as you choose to.

    Regards Tony
     
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  19. TransmutingSoul

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    Not sure why you blame Baha'i for the obvious warnings given in all scriptures, Here is one given 2000 years ago

    Matthew 7:15
    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    That is just saying that they will take you away from the flock, take you away from the intent of God's Word.

    So one has a duty to provide accurate information.

    Baha'u'llah offered.

    "Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather follow the bidding of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise."

    Mirza Gulam Ahmad declaration was after the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Mirza Gulam Ahmad was taught the faith of the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Mirza Gulam Ahmad was challenged on the fact that he was eclipsed by the Bab and Baha'u'llah, he never responded to that challenge.

    Thus we only provide information to enable people to make their own informed decisions.

    You and all get to choose.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Now that has been offered.

    Consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was also born in God's image and has the Capacity of all virtue as does every human.

    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad also studied the Faiths of the Bab and Baha'u'llah, this is reflected in His teachings, as his teachings changed from his early years to his later years.

    Thus much light can be found in what was offered in His Writings, yet the source is not that of a Messengers from God, that is MHO.

    You and all get to decide that for their own selves.

    Regards Tony
     
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