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Featured God's Creation, and Some Misconceptions

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by 101G, Jan 22, 2023.

  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    a hoot for a toot ..... (smile).... :cool:

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    so, again we can this as you have no answer at all to Genesis 3:16? thought so,

    Good day.

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  3. Subduction Zone

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    That has been answered. It is simply a small part of the Abrahamic creation myth. It has nothing to do with reality. It is only an attempt by iron age sheep herders to explain the world around them.
     
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    @101G,

    OK, ok, I have a question. Moving back to the issue of people being created before the animals.

    So, if Gen 1 and Gen 2 describe a single series of events. I'm confused about the animals.

    Here's the series as I understand you are presenting it:

    Day 1: Light and Darkness created
    Day 2: Heaven and Firmament created
    Day 3: Water is gathered, dry land appears, grass and plants are created
    ... And there was a mist
    ... And Adam was formed
    ... And God planted a garden
    ... And God put Adam in the garden​
    Day 4: Sun moon and stars are created
    Day 5: Fish and Birds created
    Day 6: Bugs, Beasts, masculine and feminine created
    ... This is happening in the garden, that's when Eve was built by Adam
    ... The animals were formed in the garden​
    Day 7: *Sigh of relief* :D

    You have identified formation of Adam happening in the 3rd day. It makes sense that God also planted the garden on that 3rd day also, correct? And that's where the first person is placed.

    Then on day 6 *in the garden*, God forms the animals and brings them to Adam. We know it's happening in the garden, because, if masculine and feminine are created when Eve was built from Adam, then that means day 6 is happening in the garden. Here's the question...

    When did the animals leave the garden?
     
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    @101G,

    Ok, here's another one.

    So, Adam and Eve are in the garden making babies before the episode with the serpent. Cain is afraid of "all who find me". That's more than one. Should be a whole crowd of people, right? Otherwise, why the fear? It's a big world. No reason to fear if it only has a few inhabitants. That would mean a good healthy chunk of time has passed in the garden. Question...

    During that whole time, not Adam, not Eve, not any of their offspring ate from the Tree of Life?
     
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    It raises other questions too if I recall correctly (its been a while since I read the story admittedly).
    But it seems from what I recall that humans were expelled from the garden due to being the offspring of Adam who ate from the tree of good and evil, but if there were other pre-existing offspring who did not eat from the tree of good and evil why would they be expelled? And if not expelled how long would it take them to overpopulate the garden?

    Then there is the question of if the suffering of labour during childbirth already existed then the story becomes an explanation for why the suffering increased, but still if the God is omnibenevolent why did it create that initial suffering?

    In my opinion.
     
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    I believe speed and acceleration are not the same, that is a mistake on your part.

    If you are trying to say that for Eve's pregnancy to be multiplied in a manner that would result in pregnancy i agree that it would imply she had already been pregnant (if the story were true to begin with)

    However Eve having been pregnant prior to the eating of the fruit may raise additional questions which are essentially a waste of time creating your own narrative to answer considering the genetic evidence that there were never less than 10,000 humans.

    In my opinion.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all,
    First thanks for the reply. second, God is presenting it.

    here in Day 1 Light and Darkness is not Physical light and darkness, but WISDOM/LIGHT, and IGNORANCE/DARKNESS. When God said, "Let there be LIGHT, God was saying KNOWLEDGE and Wisdom come forth, other words God wanted the World to KNOW what he did in CREATION, hence we have the CREATION ACCOUNT
    understand, God do not want us IGNORANT of his creation.

    also understand the Light in Genesis 1:3 is not Natural Light as in the Fourth Day. if you need a little more understanding on this just let me know .... ok.
    yes, the atmospheres was created.
    Correction, water was gathered on the SURFACE of the planet. then after dry land, MAN, then the Plants, (the grass, herbs, and the trees).

    now 101G will let you in on a secret. when Adam was Formed on Day three, the woman was inside the Man genetically ..... without shape, without form, and without figure, (smile), do you understand this? but was brought forth "FROM" the man on day six into the creation.

    no, the sun and the moon was CREATED on Day one but did not SHINE, reflect respectively until day Four. understand?
    yes, water, and Air animals.
    Land animals was made day six, now if it was in the Garden or outside the Garden when God Formed the Land animals, the Bible do not Say, neither will 101G, but this is what the bible say. Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

    the bible said, "out of the ground", and this is what 101G is only going to say, "out of the ground".
    ERROR, the Woman was Formed, (build, as you say), by God, and not by Adam, because Adam was asleep, when God formed the woman.
    LOL, LOL, LOL, YES ........ :)

    101G.
     
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    understand, God already had NATURAL LAWS in effect before to 10 commandants and the Law for Israe came into existence. God was Teaching man how to LIVE FROM DAY ONE ON THIS PLANTE. only the
    prohibition of what and not to eat (disobediences), was essential, in the CREATION STORY, because of the Fall into SIN.
    yes, and the bible do not say how long, as you said before you can play with it..... but a lot of people was born in the Garden. remember the command.... Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

    that term "replenish" means "TO FILL" I'm using the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English for the definition. and notice, God said fill the EARTH, and not judt the Garden, but the EARTH.
    LISTEN REAL CLOSE to what God did not say, and Later what he did say. Genesis 3:11 "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

    now, listen to what he said Later. Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

    did you get it?

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    no on your part.
    here's my point, I can care less if you think that the story is true to u or not as said I'M AFTER the "FACTS", and thanks for confirming the FACTS. she experienced pregnancy in the Garden. that's a SCIENCETIFIC FACT.

    my God why did it take so long to admit this FACT. as said before, makes no difference what u personally think of the story, (myth or not), 101G was only interested in the "SCIENCETIFIC" facts of the EVENTS in the Story.

    this was like pulling a wisdom tooth a 100 day ago.

    danieldemol thanks for your honesty.

    101G.
     
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    Don't you love it how creationists will use reinterpretation after the fact when it is obvious that there verses that they personally wish were true are shown to be wrong?

    The problem with only a partial reinterpretation after the fact is that you are left with no excuse for not accepting reality. Time to face facts my friend. You are still a monkey.
     
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    :thumbsup:
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    So, basically you're saying, we don't know where the animals were formed, and they were brought to Adam in the garden, and we don't really know when they left, because it doesn't say?
    Yes, I think it's actually a really important point, which maybe we'll talk about later. "Out of the ground".
    LOL. I can't believe I typed that. Yes, error on my part. I'm still chuckling about that. I didn't mean *by* Adam, I meant *from* Adam.

    However, if we're focusing on the details of the words. Was Eve "formed"? I don't think so. What does your lexicon say about the first Hebrew word in Gen 2:22? Then maybe compare that to the first word in Gen 2:7? What does the lexicon say? My sources say that Adam was formed, and Eve was built.
     
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    OK...
    Yes...
    Nope, I didn't get it. It seems like you're talking about eating from the tree of knowledge of good-and-evil. Yes, it's a very important point that at least one other had knowledge of good-and-evil in the garden. But, that's a different topic.

    I'm asking about the Tree of Life.

    If a long time had passed between Gen 2, and Gen 3, then it seems likely that either Adam, Eve, or one of their offspring would eat from the Tree of Life gaining immortality. No?
     
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    sound just like u, ,,,,,, (smile)
    what's wrong ...... jealous? because danieldemol finally saw the SCIENCE in the scripture.

    101G.
     
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    No, since I know that those verses are mythical I have no need to mistranslate them.

    Did he? It appeared that he was making a joke at your expense.
     
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    you ok, I got a chuckle also.
    Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."

    What is another word for build, when used AS A VERB, "To put together/BUILD, using parts or materials, answer, "Form". and here "MADE"/H1129 בָּנָה banah (baw-naw') v. is being used as a VERB. my source for this information is WORD HIPPO, What is another word for build? | Build Synonyms - WordHippo Thesaurus

    this is what 101G like a good discussion/

    as with the animals out of the ground, out this on your burner...........
    When God "formed" Eve, notice what Adam said, Genesis 2:23 "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

    now, my question is this, the first word in 2:22 I take it you mean the "RIB?", (smile), now, this is a tickler, because the Rib usually contain "BLOOD" so, why not also say.... "Blood of my Blood?" ..... but he didn't. now that really opens up a can of worms. but I have some ideas, but my opinion don't count, the word of God only.
    but give it also some thought, and maybe IM me your thoughts... thanks

    stay blessed.

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    they all obeyed until the serpent/the Devil entered the picture. he deceived the woman. now, she ate of the forbidden tree. Genesis 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:" Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

    now let's back up, Genesis 2:9 "And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
    was there a probation on the Tree of LIFE? no, only the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it.

    only one tree not to eat from. but were they not already eating from the TREE of LIFE, the WORD of GOD? yes, which Gives .... "LIFE?", now do you understand why Adam didn't say, "Blood of my Blood". or remember, the "LIFE" of the Flesh is in the BLOOD, see Leviticus 17:11. now, let;s see the TRUE LIFE, WITHOUT BLOOD...........
    supportive scripture, John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." BINGO...

    information, information, Information. that's our problem today..... receiving, or believing the wrong INFORMATION.

    How True Is the Saying , "You Are What You Eat?". and our mother Eve ate the Fruit of LIES. supportive scripture. Hosea 10:13 "Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men."

    understand, "EATING FRUIT" are not apples and oranges .... (smile).

    101G.
     
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    This is a good lecture on how Genesis is 2 contradictory stories.



    Genesis 1
    Earth - watery
    creation - 6 days
    order - trees, animals, humans
    man - created last
    domain - the earth
    woman - created simultaneously

    genesis 2
    earth - dusty
    creation - one day
    order - humans, trees, animals
    man - created first
    domain - Eden
    Woman - rib

    He reads both stories as separate stories without changing the words. Sounds a lot like 2 stories were put into the text. He claims they also match the 2 stories in the flood story.
     
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    ERROR, they are not syncretic. and he is LYING.

    101G.
     
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    But are you after *all* the facts to gain the most complete picture? Or are you only interested in selecting those facts which cast just enough half light as to appear to prop up a narrative?

    Why does it matter whether a story implies a certain individual person had already been pregnant if the truth is that there were likely *never* less than 5,000 to 10,000 humans as demonstrated by genetic evidence?

    In my opinion.
     
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