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Featured God's Creation, and Some Misconceptions

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by 101G, Jan 22, 2023.

  1. 101G

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    There are many misconceptions from man about what was created/Made, When and where, or how many.
    let's discuss from the bible these misconceptions.

    #1. Man was formed on day 3, before any animals, and was made male and female on day 6.

    #2. Adam and Eve had Children.in the Garden of Eden before they had Cain and Able outside the Garden.

    #3. There were no pre-Adamic Race.

    from these three Truths, all other questions are answered, as to A. Where did Cain get his wife from? B. Who are the son of God in Genesis chapter 6, (and they are not angels) C. Why is Cain not mention in Adam genealogy, since he was supposing to be Adam firstborn ...... son? as well as why Abel is not in Adam genealogy?

    by understanding the TRUTH of these three misconceptions above, a correct and truthful understanding of God's creation can be accomplish and held in "Faith" by true believers.

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    Why have you posted this in the Science and Religion section?
     
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    Why not? do not the bible also contain Science also?

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    Misconception #1.
    THE ACTUAL FORMING OF MAN ON DAY 3​
    As stated Man, was “formed”, not created, but “formed” on day 3. open your bible to Genesis 1:9-13 and read the 3rd day creation. next read in your bible, Genesis chapter 2:4-7. verses 5-7 tells us what God did in detail on day 3, which correspond with Genesis 1:9-13. here is the revelation. according to Genesis chapter 1 on day 3 verse 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". but according to Chapter 2, BEFORE the grass grew, and BEFORE any herb grew, BEFORE any trees came forth listen, 5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God, had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". remember this is DAY 3, read that verse 5 again and notice the word BEFORE. next verse, 6 “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". now going back to chapter 1, to verse 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good". STOP, LOOK and LISTEN, if the Earth brought fort grass herbs and trees on day 3. according to chapter 2 verse 5 this same bible said that "BEFORE" the grass grew, and "BEFORE" plant was even in the EARTH, there was no "RAIN", and no "MAN". read that 5th verse again, and watch the association of Rain, and man. now the next verse, 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". verse 6 just told us that now there was rain, in the form of mist, and now a man, which is BEFORE any grass grew, and BEFORE any plants, and BEFORE any trees. and remember this is day 3. Let’s go back to verse 5 of chapter 2 again, "And every plant of the field "before" it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and here was not a man to till the ground". before any grass GREW, and before any Plants, and Trees, now the ground was watered, (by a mist), and the man formed. because chapter 1verse 12 said that the EARTH brought forth grass, and trees on Day 3. and chapter 2 said before the grass grew, before the herbs and trees, there was rain in the form of mist, and the man formed. there is the proof of man and rain/dew before day 3 ended. to clarify this further. the ONE man that was formed on day 3 and was CREATED, MADE into male and female on DAY 6, after there was not found a suitable help meet for the one man, (see Genesis 2:18-20). the man was before the animals, only the woman was “formed” after the animals. what did this just tell us, (a). we did not evolve from animals, so Darwin lied. (b). we were the first living creatures to walk on the planet. Woman was formed, on day 6, then made and created into female. because no help meet was found for the man, God brought forth from the ONE MAN, another MAN, (woman), which God created female. Understand on the 6th day the one MAN was not CREATED again into existence, but another man was “formed”, or MADE, and both the first man and his “another”, or diversified self, was CREATED into male and female on day 6. when God formed man on day three there was no female, in manifestation. she was "MADE"/formed on Day 6. Supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve”. notice the woman was not created she was "formed" as the first man, but the creation of both was in their respective genders. Other words it is in the permutation, or the permuting of the genetic structure. Simply put, the alteration or arrangement of the genetic sequencing. that's the difference between being FORMED, and CREATED. the man and the woman was CREATED permutated male and female on day 6. the Man existed in this world before the woman in functionality, but both was CREATED or permutated male and female on the same day, which was day 6. supportive scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created". the man, both the female and the male, was identified both as ADAM on day 6 in the DAY
    they were CREATED, created how? answer, male and female. not created into existence as such, but created male and female on day 6. I hope you can see it now. conclusion, Man was FORMED on day 3 before any grass grew, before and plant, or trees. woman was MADE on day 6 after the animals. and on day 6 both the man, and (the woman), was CREATED as "Male", and "Female". we have one FORMED day 3 another Formed day 6th.

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    Thank you for pointing out another contradiction in the Bible! Something you may not be aware of, there are two different creation accounts in scripture, which do not agree with each other. Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia.

    You can't just take these things and collate them together to make them fit. You could do with with Harry Potter and Gone with the Wind, and come up with some interesting ideas too. :)
     
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    1 Timothy 6:20 "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:"

    the bible is full of Science concept, even quantum
    physics.

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    this is what discussion is for, is it not?

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    there is only one CREATION ACCOUNT.

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    You're quoting the King James translation from 1611. All modern translations simply says "knowledge so called." It has nothing at all to do with modern science!

    Read the context:

    Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.​

    You think that people were leaving the faith in "Paul's" day because of the teachings of modern science in things like Evolution, black holes, and quantum mechanics???

    LOL. :)

    Good Lord! How could it be? I'm quite positive you are ramming a modern idea into obscure words to make them "fit". The Bible is not a book of science! :)

    I'm pretty sure you could find last week's winning lottery ticket numbers in there too, if your tried hard enough.
     
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    I'm sorry, no there's not: Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia.

    The narrative is made up of two stories, roughly equivalent to the first two chapters of the Book of Genesis. In the first, Elohim (the Hebrew generic word for God) creates the heavens and the Earth in six days, then rests on, blesses, and sanctifies the seventh (i.e. the Biblical Sabbath). In the second story God (now referred to by the personal name Yahweh) creates Adam, the first man, from dust and places him in the Garden of Eden. There he is given dominion over the animals. Eve, the first woman, is created from Adam’s rib as his companion.​
     
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    There's hundreds, if not thousands. Nearly every religion and every culture has it's own.
     
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    Where? Book and verse, with a little context?
     
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    don't be sorry, Read the bible instead of Wikipedia.
    Genesis chapter 2 is a detailed. Account of Chapter 1, where information is needed.

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    first thanks for the reply. there maybe thousands of accounts, but only one CREATOR. and I'm interested in one account only, if you don't mind. the KJV of the bible.

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    The Bible takes from previous myth, but removes some parts, so you get bits and pieces from different religions. If we read all of the books written instead of what was chosen as canon, we would have a better picture.
     
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    I'm only sharing Wiki for you, because it's easily accessible. I'm more than familiar with the details of why there are two different stories. At different times, by different authors, telling different stories. They can't be rammed together the way you are trying to do.

    Think of the differences of the post crucifixion accounts in the gospels. Those are different, conflicting stories. It the same story, but different imaginations about it. Same with the Genesis stories. They are different stories, not a single story that you need to try to collate together like an accordion to make it fit.

    As I said, you could do that with Harry Potter and Gone With the Wind to make them fit together as a single story. It would be weird, but then again, so is what you are doing. ;)
     
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    Then realize that you are in a science and religion discussion. Opinions are going to vary. And you'd still need to clarify your previous claims. Where's the science in the KJV?
     
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    Okay, you've got me curious. Where is it you believe that the Bible tells us about Quantum Mechanics? I'm truly curious to see how you see that in there. What verses?
     
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