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God's Chosen?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sunstone, Dec 28, 2005.

  1. wmam

    wmam Active Member

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    The United States, as a Nation, is not the chosen people in my own opinion. Neither, might I add, is any other nation that now exsist. To me, the chosen are all those individuals that do the will of YAH. It was said salvation to the Jew first then the Gentiles. Gentiles meaning nations. Not any one nation but to all in all the nations that believe and do the will of YAH. This is my take.
     
  2. joeboonda

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    In the Bible Israel was God's chosen people, and He promised Abraham that through his seed all nations would be blessed. Out of Israel came the one who would bless all nations, Our Saviour Jesus Christ. America was founded on freedom OF religion, to worship how or what you please, not freedom FROM religion. I still think there are many good Christians in America and we are blessed of God, but we are doing many evils in his sight for which he cannot turn his back on. It is never too late for a nation to turn to God, and be blessed. But I think we are approaching the last days, where there will be a great falling away, men ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. The Rapture of the church is imminent (could be now or in many years), but is coming, the church, the bride of Christ will be in heaven for the judgement seat of Christ and the marriage supper of the lamb, the Great Seven Year Tribulation begins with the signing of the peace treaty by the antichrist in the middle east, the judgements begin and increase, and at the end of that time Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords will return in power at his Second Coming and set up his Millenial Kingdom. Afterwhich the Great White Throne Judgement, and the new heaven and new earth and the city of the New Jerusalem and God will be with us forever and ever.
     
  3. Mike182

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    i do not think god has a chosen nation which he favors - that is, as the english would say, poppycock

    im not denying the fact that america has a lot of political power over the rest of the world, but american politics is not for an english man like me to be troubled with :D
     
  4. Pardus

    Pardus Proud to be a Sinner.

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    The meek shall inherit the earth, and i see nothing meek about the US as a nation.
     
  5. Mike182

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    doesn't the US as a nation have a lot of people living in poverty? no nation is perfect, all nations are meek and should humble themselves
     
  6. michel

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    I couldn't help but think of this:-
    Jerusalem
    Written by William Blake
    And did those feet in ancient time
    Walk upon England's mountains green
    And was the holy lamb of God
    On England's pleasant pastures seen
    And did the countenance divine
    Shine forth upon our clouded hills
    And was Jerusalem builded there
    Among those dark Satanic mills
    Bring me my bow (my bow) of burning gold
    Bring me my arrows of desire
    Bring me my spears o'clouds unfold
    Bring me my chariot of fire
    I will not cease from mental fight
    Nor shall my (my) sword sleep in hand
    'Til we have built Jerusalem
    In England's green and pleasant land
    'Til we have built Jerusalem
    In England's green and pleasant land​
    Having said that (tongue in cheek), to quote Dawny;​
    Thinking more along the lines of 'the meek shall inherit the Earth', are not the Jews the historically recognized punchbag of every other nation ?
     
  7. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    ah yes, a good point, however, every religion has been pursecuted throughout history
     
  8. maggie2

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    I don't believe any nation or people are 'God's chosen'. We are all God's chosen people.
     
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  9. Snowbear

    Snowbear Nita Okhata

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    Poppycock. I don't believe God chooses nations. Or the He chooses people based on their nationality.

    Jesus used the parable of the king's wedding guests to illustrate how many people are invited, but of those, a few will choose to listen and even fewer will be chosen to enter the kingdon of Heaven:
    Jesus is speaking to His disciples here, but I believe He is speaking to all of His followers now as well:
    God chose Paul... certainly not the other way around :eek:
     
  10. may

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    But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother..... galations 4;26

    (Philippians 3:20) As for us, our citizenship exists in the heavens, from which place also we are eagerly waiting for a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ..... i would say it wont be on earth because its in heaven

    "Jerusalem above" is God’s heavenly "woman," his organization of mighty spirit creatures

    Earthly Jerusalem was blessed with such a time of renewal after the Babylonian exile. "Jerusalem above" has been even more blessed

    According to Revelation 12:1-17, God’s "woman" was greatly blessed by giving birth to a most important "offspring"—not an individual spirit son, but the Messianic Kingdom in heaven. This birth occurred in 1914. (See Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!, pages 177-86.) Isaiah’s prophecy focuses on the joy she feels as a result of God’s blessing on her anointed sons on earth

     
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    Gods chosen people were also the Levites out of all the tribes of Israel, separated unto God as His inheritance, and they as His. No other tribe was anointed as the "elect" and to be priests in Israel. The "only begotten son" in name of Levi that God made his covenant with.

    The Levites received no inheritance among the other tribes. Their inheritance was the things of God, to serve as priests forever in the generations of Israel. To serve was the sacrifice of themselves in service to their brethren. They were to be as as the order of Melchizedek, without father or mother, sister or brother. In return they were given the land of Israel and positioned in the gates of her cities as judges in the law, law givers, lawyers.
     
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    Wait a sec...I just read in a different thread that God is perfectly just.
    How can God have a "chosen people" and still maintian perfect justice?

    Sounds prejudiced to me.
     
  13. opensoul7

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    We (human beings) are all Gods children. God loves us all .God is beyond borders , politics, money , war, or any other human characteristic we try to place on God.We are no more or less special to God than anyone else, we are only self important in our own minds , the ego is a powerfull thing.The question that might be posed is how does God feel about us carving out chunks of Gods earth and claiming it for our own , like spoiled children?
     
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  14. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    We are talking about the Biblical God..yes?
     
  15. michel

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    Nice post; good points.:)


    I would say that God hates no one; he may despair at times by our slowness to learn.......
     
  16. Radar

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    Which god is doing the choosing? Am I still chosen if I don't choose him? It's all up for interpretation. I don't think it is knowable and there will be many claims of the faithful. Where I am happy not knowing and not caring. I am sure if there is a god or gods then they will choose and none of us will know until that happens anyone who thinks otherwise is just speculating.
     
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  17. michel

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    Think what you like, but I believe that the day you die, you'll be very happy to discover that God exists, and that he'll welcome you.
     
  18. Radar

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    Thanks... And someday we will all find out, I am just trying to make the best of the only life I believe I have, but I want you to know that I appreciate the positive thoughts for me and the like.:)
     
  19. michel

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    Ah, but if you are right, we'll never know you were right all along; I guess that gives me the edge, because you might be in the position of saying "So, Michel, you were right", whereas if you are, I won't be anywhere to apologise.:biglaugh:
     
  20. Radar

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    You will also be able to say "I told you so" :woohoo:
     
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