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God made World Wide Flood; God has burn the Sodom and Homorra. All is in Bible.
And?
Why do we all go to hell?
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God made World Wide Flood; God has burn the Sodom and Homorra. All is in Bible.
There are sick people, they go to Heaven. And there are maliciously sick ones...And?
Why do we all go to hell?
I don’t recognise your definition of “God” as one anyone else has ever used. Even if you’re successfully proving something, I’d argue that wouldn’t be any kind of “God” as any of us generally understands the word.If you see points of error or need for clarification, please share.
Perhaps some posters don't know of your fame.Hey, I'm new to this forum and I'd like to kick around some ideas. Not looking for a fight and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of dogmatism, but if you help me sharpen some of my ideas, I would greatly appreciate it. Here's a proof that I accept for the existence of God. It's basically based on rationalism, as I understand it. If you see points of error or need for clarification, please share. Thanks!
Definition - God is the self-sufficient existence of general consistency
- Rational reason assumes all reality is generally consistent (with self and other reality)
- This means all of reality exists in a manner that respects general consistency
- Things exist (eg your thinking about this God proof)
- Things that exist have a nature that is either arbitrary (bounded by something other than itself) or non-arbitrary (bounded only by itself)
- All arbitrary things are ultimately contingent upon some non-arbitrary thing. This is because either
- An arbitrary thing has a finite number of arbitrary things in a chain of causes
- An arbitrary thing has an infinite number of arbitrary things in its chain of causes. This means the thing is defined as the consequence of its infinite chain of causes, thus the thing is equivalent to the infinite chain of causes in a generally consistent reality. This chain is not bounded by anything outside the chain and therefore is non-arbitrary. Thus the thing, which is the chain, is non-arbitrary.
- Since (1) some thing(s) exist, (2) all things are either arbitrary or non-arbitrary, (3) all arbitrary things are contingent upon some non-arbitrary thing, then there must exist some thing that is non-arbitrary.
- God is the non-arbitrary thing that is self sufficient (being non-arbitrary) and generally consistent.
I didn't get any further than your unusual definition for God because if you spot me my definition of the word 'fly,' I can give you a sound argument concluding that horses can fly.Definition - God is the self-sufficient existence of general consistency
Why? Historians, Archeologians, Theologians, Physicists, and Philosophers, are all confirming the Bible authority.
Definition - God is the self-sufficient existence of general consistency
Well they do say follow the money trail to get to its source.
No personal offense, but it looks like you just walked off a cliff with that, right off the get-go, and are flapping your arms to get back on solid ground.
Right at number 1, Does rational reasoning involve assumption?
If one uses big enuf words, & complex enuf grammar, anything can be provenUmmm.... I read this line several times. I understand the individual words just fine.
Alas, when placed in this marginally unique pattern? All meaning has mysteriously vanished... and I'm left puzzled what message you attempted to convey, here.
Are you trying to say 'pantheism', in the case that all of reality is 'god' and 'god' is all of reality?
Your definition is far from clear.
Hey, I'm new to this forum and I'd like to kick around some ideas. Not looking for a fight and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of dogmatism, but if you help me sharpen some of my ideas, I would greatly appreciate it. Here's a proof that I accept for the existence of God. It's basically based on rationalism, as I understand it. If you see points of error or need for clarification, please share. Thanks!
Definition - God is the self-sufficient existence of general consistency
- Rational reason assumes all reality is generally consistent (with self and other reality)
- This means all of reality exists in a manner that respects general consistency
- Things exist (eg your thinking about this God proof)
- Things that exist have a nature that is either arbitrary (bounded by something other than itself) or non-arbitrary (bounded only by itself)
- All arbitrary things are ultimately contingent upon some non-arbitrary thing. This is because either
- An arbitrary thing has a finite number of arbitrary things in a chain of causes
- An arbitrary thing has an infinite number of arbitrary things in its chain of causes. This means the thing is defined as the consequence of its infinite chain of causes, thus the thing is equivalent to the infinite chain of causes in a generally consistent reality. This chain is not bounded by anything outside the chain and therefore is non-arbitrary. Thus the thing, which is the chain, is non-arbitrary.
- Since (1) some thing(s) exist, (2) all things are either arbitrary or non-arbitrary, (3) all arbitrary things are contingent upon some non-arbitrary thing, then there must exist some thing that is non-arbitrary.
- God is the non-arbitrary thing that is self sufficient (being non-arbitrary) and generally consistent.
The reading of the Bible (while reading the interpretation of the Church Fathers) makes good to people, it can heal their atheistic disorders. Why? Historians, Archeologians, Theologians, Physicists, and Philosophers, are all confirming the Bible authority.
It's like being on the road to becoming being a genius in aviation. You first discover what doesn't work in the best direct way possible. *Grin*Didnt even get that far off the ground.
Makes me think of the old film of an
experimental flying machine.
The ides was to have an engine drive this thing
like an umbrella up and down. Goes up folded,
opens coming down.
It bounced a bit then tore itself to pieces.
Hey, I'm new to this forum and I'd like to kick around some ideas. Not looking for a fight and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of dogmatism, but if you help me sharpen some of my ideas, I would greatly appreciate it. Here's a proof that I accept for the existence of God. It's basically based on rationalism, as I understand it. If you see points of error or need for clarification, please share. Thanks!
Definition - God is the self-sufficient existence of general consistency
- Rational reason assumes all reality is generally consistent (with self and other reality)
- This means all of reality exists in a manner that respects general consistency
- Things exist (eg your thinking about this God proof)
- Things that exist have a nature that is either arbitrary (bounded by something other than itself) or non-arbitrary (bounded only by itself)
- All arbitrary things are ultimately contingent upon some non-arbitrary thing. This is because either
- An arbitrary thing has a finite number of arbitrary things in a chain of causes
- An arbitrary thing has an infinite number of arbitrary things in its chain of causes. This means the thing is defined as the consequence of its infinite chain of causes, thus the thing is equivalent to the infinite chain of causes in a generally consistent reality. This chain is not bounded by anything outside the chain and therefore is non-arbitrary. Thus the thing, which is the chain, is non-arbitrary.
- Since (1) some thing(s) exist, (2) all things are either arbitrary or non-arbitrary, (3) all arbitrary things are contingent upon some non-arbitrary thing, then there must exist some thing that is non-arbitrary.
- God is the non-arbitrary thing that is self sufficient (being non-arbitrary) and generally consistent.
God is the Nothing-Yet of Infinite Potential. God is the Nothing-Yet because He/She/It existed before anything was created and had the Potential to create what is. That Potential was Infinite because there was Nothing-Yet to limit it.
Word salads don't proof anything.
Evidence would be sufficient to take into consideration.
Well reasoned, and fitting the rules of logic, making your conclusion logical. Atheists will now respond to prove you wrong, actually they can but they will make every effort to convince you they have. Some will be civil which is good. Some will be snide and patronizing.Hey, I'm new to this forum and I'd like to kick around some ideas. Not looking for a fight and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of dogmatism, but if you help me sharpen some of my ideas, I would greatly appreciate it. Here's a proof that I accept for the existence of God. It's basically based on rationalism, as I understand it. If you see points of error or need for clarification, please share. Thanks!
Definition - God is the self-sufficient existence of general consistency
- Rational reason assumes all reality is generally consistent (with self and other reality)
- This means all of reality exists in a manner that respects general consistency
- Things exist (eg your thinking about this God proof)
- Things that exist have a nature that is either arbitrary (bounded by something other than itself) or non-arbitrary (bounded only by itself)
- All arbitrary things are ultimately contingent upon some non-arbitrary thing. This is because either
- An arbitrary thing has a finite number of arbitrary things in a chain of causes
- An arbitrary thing has an infinite number of arbitrary things in its chain of causes. This means the thing is defined as the consequence of its infinite chain of causes, thus the thing is equivalent to the infinite chain of causes in a generally consistent reality. This chain is not bounded by anything outside the chain and therefore is non-arbitrary. Thus the thing, which is the chain, is non-arbitrary.
- Since (1) some thing(s) exist, (2) all things are either arbitrary or non-arbitrary, (3) all arbitrary things are contingent upon some non-arbitrary thing, then there must exist some thing that is non-arbitrary.
- God is the non-arbitrary thing that is self sufficient (being non-arbitrary) and generally consistent.
Can humans identify anything outside the human psyche ? If not, then logically, nothing exists but the human psyche, correct ? or not ?Sure.
It is a bit tautological as it doesn't provide any practical value however.
I came up with the following understanding of God in a kind of concise trinitarian syllogism as follows:
You have fleshed out an interesting concept of the arbitrary and non-arbitrary that adds meat to the bones, but it logically reduces to the same.
I would, in fact, consider God as ALSO a arbitrary thing that arises out of a less arbitrary psychological system which is generative of a more or less objective God experience.
Since God cannot be identified outside of the human psyche we must consider that God also has this arbitrary aspect.
I didn't get any further than your unusual definition for God because if you spot me my definition of the word 'fly,' I can give you a sound argument concluding that horses can fly.