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God Phenomenon
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A physical form creates limitations... Birth, death, and limits the scope of ones action to a particular point on a physical plane.
It's not that spiritual beings cannot manifest physical, it's just often a needless limitation for them. Often this is explained in 'grossness' or 'fineness' of energy fields but it's simple enough to say that if you are a limitless spiritual being why would you want the limitations of something much lower on the food chain?
PureX
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I think the real reason why is because they intuitively understood that "God" is an cognitive ideal, not a physical phenomena. God is a way of perceiving and understanding our experience of existential reality, it is not an existential reality unto itself. But that was the elders, and the scribes; the wisest and most spiritually inclined among them. Not the average adherents. So they had to present this God-ideal to their people in ways that could be grasped more simply, and less deeply. And yet still present them with a fundamental inexplicability that would keep them open to life-long exploration and contemplation. I think they did an amazing job of this, given that their texts are still with us, and still being used by millions, every day.
This is the same from the Baha'i belief, but not necessarily from the Christian perspective.
Matter and Energy, and the Quantum World, are the foundation of our physical reality and a reflection of the attributes of God, but not God.
I do not consider citing ancient scripture, that reflects an ancient human view, is adequate to answer your questions.
then such a god cannot be omnipresent, or omniscient.
This arrogant assertion and determination cannot be determined from the human perspective.
How does this determine whether God is omnipresent or omniscient?
PureX
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In a way, "God" can, ... as a cognitive ideal.
From a human perspective, cognition is the "alpha and omega". Without it, there is no awareness. Not thought. No possibility. No question, and no answer. Existence would be absolutely and totally meaningless. So that in that context, if "God" is a cognitive paradigm (and it is) then that "God" is the "alpha and omega" of anyone that perceives and conceives of existence through that cognitive paradigm. To the "believer" (of that cognitive paradigm) God really is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
determining that god is neither energy or matter dictates that god can't be omnipresent in all.
to have cognitive ideals require action, which comes from the verb "gno" to know
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Ellen Brown
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God, G_d, Allah SWT being the Creator of all things, can take what ever form he likes, to include a physical or female one. I just don' know why people miss that?
No, I did not basically state such things, and this is your creative imagination projecting your agenda on other people's beliefs.
The omnipotent and omnipresence of God is based on being the 'Source' of all physical Creation as a reflection of the attributes of God.
The Quantum World is an example where your logic fails miserably even in the material world. The Quantum world is basically the Quantum Nothing of the nature of our existence and energy and matter exist only as potential energy and matter.
You need to get off trying simply justify your agenda, quote me properly, and respond specifically to my posts.
you implied such with the statement that god isn't physical. how then does god create forms from a non-physical thing; which you've stated god isn't. does god create physical matter and then forms it into something?
creation requires some kind of material to create from. where does that matter come from? apart from god? or some part of God?
I do not need to imply. God is not physical. God is the 'Source' of our physical existence, and not a part of it.
As before you are projecting human concepts of 'what is necessary' concerning the nature of God, and the relationship to Creation. Fallible humans cannot define the nature of God, any more than a flea can describe the solar system. The nature of God and Creation is described in the scripture of a religion or belief system, and not the arbitrary views of humans.
god's existence implies some physical aspect. existence means to be as does the name
being uncreated doesn't equate to being non-physical
Ellen Brown
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This subject makes me feel growl. Grrrr.
Desert Snake
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Because they aren't practicing a Biblical religion.
Because they aren't reading their Bibles
Because they are trying to use their own faulty logic
PureX
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Infinity is neither energy nor matter and yet it is omnipresent.
PureX
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How so? An idea appears to require brain activity, but it could be that the brain activity is the result of the idea, not the cause. We don't know, because we don't know what caused the combination of forces that result in the brain activity.
Why not, Bible tells God is spirit. Spirit is like higher state of existence. It could maybe be compared to level of ideas. Ideas have basically no physical state, but they can be manifested in physical state.
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24
He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8
Maybe this could be compared also to team spirit. It is state that is in higher level of existence, but can influence in many people. Similarly, Biblical love is something that can be seen in actions of people.