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Featured God - Is this knowledge the ultimate aim?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Feb 16, 2019.

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  2. Yes

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  3. No with explanation

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  4. Yes with explanation

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  5. I have another view - I will explain in a post.

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  1. Vinayaka

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    I'm just not at all familiar with Christian dogma. Thanks for the information.
     
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  2. Vinayaka

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    I have no idea. Not an expert. Not well read.
     
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    I think at this point even modern science does Not know, etc.
    We don't have to be well read to look around and observe if we see the selfish-distorted form of love as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 which is in sharp contrast with the biblical definition of godly love as defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6.
    People often putting self-interest over Jesus' NEW commandment at John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as he has for us.
     
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  4. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    Going back I see a cross missunderstanding. I have never commented on that aspect of cave paintings since you mentioned it. It was the part of your post about the brain I replied to.

    My next reply was on capacity of the brain and nothing to do with cave paintings, wheras your replies continued along that line.

    So sorry for that, I should take out of the quote what is not being replied to.

    Regards Tony
     
  5. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    This is where the balance needs to be found, in my opinion.

    Faith and science I see have no other option but to reconcile.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Not all faiths are in conflict with science. No reconciliation needed then. For most, it's disagreement, not like it's coming to blows.
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Quoted your text in post #67, perhaps you should review your "never" claim
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Non sequitur.

    Ciao

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    I'm not sure science is looking for a "cause". Science simply explains HOW nature behaves by representing nature's behaviors with the language of mathematics. I have yet to find any explanation in science explaining WHY nature behaves the way it does.

    I have a different way of thinking about God than your do. I believe in a more dynamic way of thinking about God as claimed by interpretations of the Holy Trinity. God is not an object like human being with limitations. God is complete and perfect. The Universe was created out of abundance rather than some lack or need by God.

    In the trinity, we have three things going on. We have the idea of attaching labels and words to forms and shapes. We have the idea of energy in motion. And we have the idea of some kind of principle of unity. The Universe came into being through the breath of God. God is what makes energy move. The word of God is how God moves His lips creating the laws of physics.

    Everything in the Universe is part of God. So where is the excess of abundance created by God going to go? It all returns back to God like a completed electrical circuit. So Holy Trinity is like an electrical circuit where we are naturally drawn to experiencing God's perfections. And where our final experience is when we die we return back to God to experience God's infinite beauty and perfection and the unity principle completes.

    So God is not an object. God is an experience of greatness or perfection. We are all drawn to experience God's greatness through our own experiences of greatness and perfection. To be God-like is not to judge others but to share some kind of abundance with others. To be God-like means to share.

    The purpose of life is to experience God's greatness and perfections as well as share some kind of abundance with others.
     
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    Looking to a eternal past makes you old, looking to the eternal future is the fountain of youth. If it died off it will be new for a short time and the Phoenix would give flight. That's my understanding of the nature of our universe in regard to being.
     
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  11. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Yes this is indeed a consequence of Faith. I also live for the day when all humanity embraces all that can be.

    I have a different view of what became the doctrine of the trinity. I see God does not enter creation. It is quite a dynamic view. :D

    Regards Tony
     
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    Thank you for the thought-provoking opening post. I would agree that humanity's faith in God is ancient and seems to be a part of being human. Why am I here, What/Who created me? What is expected of me? These questions are part of our experience of life.

    I don't think there is a need to 'reconcile' faith in God and Science. Science does not reject what it seeks, but the explanation "God did it" is not helpful in the endeavor or scientific inquiry. Just as trying to explain the transubstantiation of bread into the Body of Christ is not a helpful endeavor in Christian religious practice. While I am not entirely a fan of Gould's non-overlapping magisteria, there is wisdom in the idea that there does not need to be conflict between religious faith and a scientific view of the world. The two wings of a bird idea is great, in the Baha'i metaphor.

    Please do not conflate a scientific approach to understanding our world with "rejecting what they look for."

    One last thing, why do you think that 'this accident of creation' must be easy to explain, either with or without God in the equation?
     
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  13. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    That is a good well rounded answer.

    I personally see there is always a balance to find and the balance I try to find is the metephor you quoted.

    I am but a very simply person, no real smarts do I own. :) so as to an accident of creation with or without God. If one is to think that creation came into being without intelligence, how is it that our intelligence progresses from studying and using many aspects of this creation?

    Can we actually conceive of no intelligence creating intelligence?

    Regards Tony
     
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