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Featured God - Is this knowledge the ultimate aim?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Feb 16, 2019.

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  2. Yes

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  3. No with explanation

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  4. Yes with explanation

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  5. I have another view - I will explain in a post.

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  1. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Throughout history mans Faith in God has been well documented. It is apparent that the a belief in God/s, in many various practices can not and will not be eliminated from the mind of man.

    How then do we then reconcile what is Faith and what is Science when we determine 'Truth'.

    If God is the creator, then science is actually looking for this cause, all the while rejecting what they look for.

    If there is no God, then this accident of creation must be easy to explain sometime soon.

    Universe.jpg

    So are we all in this life, really just looking for what is God?
     
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    No. Because by the logic presented in your question, once one realizes God, the remainder of temporal life would have no purpose.

    For me, I am in this life for the experience of life and to aid others who seek help with their experience.
     
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  3. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Could it be considered that finding there is a God, is only the beginning of Life?

    Then could we consider that this temporal life has a greater meaning we can pursue, life thus has a purpose, is not an accident and we can experience all it has to offer?

    Regards Tony
     
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    No, to make such an assumption assumes much. Such as an education system tailored to teach god, multiple definitions of truth, the belief in a god and that god is the creator, that creation (of the universe) is able to be ever be discovered.
     
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    I'm unclear on if you are capitalizing the word 'life' to somehow change the meaning of the word. If so, what definition are you using?

    Those who have claimed to have an experience of God call it a profoundly life-changing event. Therefore, one can conclude that such a realization can alter how one perceives life's meaning.
     
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    The truth is not available to us on that kind of absolute scale. What both science and faith gives us is a way to find out what works for us, as true, in the moment and under the circumstances. And that's the best we're gonna get.
     
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  7. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    When i was young i sought God, and i tried to imagine what a perfect being would be like. That gave me ideals and aspirations i would not have otherwise considered.

    At this time i see no evidence for a God.
    But i maintain the same aspirations i had from youth.

    I enjoy RF, but many of these religion and science ideologies are demanding conformity from everyone. And id like to preserve my own unique quest and perspective, and just accept people for who they are, without feeling the need to get everyone bowing before ideologies in science, or religion for that matter.

    Individuals have commonality, and they are all so extremely different, that to get everyone conforming to their own standards stifles the human spirit.

    God would emphasize the basic common truth all humans should share while never stifling the vast differences between us All.

    I think God would have one rule and that is to never harm the innocent. Past that everyone is free to explore the vast unknown, make mistakes, and explore themselves, and society.
     
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    Hm.
    True.

    Faith (the abrahamic kind) and science (physical space kind) are two different animals. The only side that want's to recognize with the other is abrahamic. There are pseudo sciences that study the nature of religion from a less religious point of view. Neurology and the religious experience. I got to read this too. Looks interesting.

    Truth is a general term. I don't know if science will discover the abrahamic truth. Though other religions probably have more idea of it; the non-creator types probably.

    That's biased. I don't understand why science is a threat to abrahamic truth.

    Science isn't bias so if it is looking for a creator, it probably doesn't know where to start. By its nature, it's not looking for a supernatural start. So, I don't see the connection you're making.

    No. Just a lot of people are genuinely afraid that there could be no origin to our existence. The idea is "there must be" and "there must be". It is alright to believe in god. The question is fine.

    "Must be an easy explanation sometime soon"? I don't think so. It's good to ask the question. Keeps you (all) on your toes. Seriously. Personally, I can't even conceive the idea of not existing anymore.

    No. It's funny, though. I started going to a god/s focus church. Everyone has their own belief. We come together as a family not as strangers with the same beliefs. Everyone knows your name-literally. Long story short, not all of us are looking for god. Even if some of us are, not all the abrahamic.

    Maybe make your question more specific?

    God has too many definitions both abstract and literal. A lot of us don't know how bahai see god.
     
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    There can only be one truth. Truth is known in Christian Faith, and tons of truth has been revealed by science, but it has also been selectively ignored, suppressed, rejected, and disputed by the scientific community. This is not only as pertains to creation, but to a wide variety of scientific areas of study. Scientific "truth" has also been revised many times as new discoveries and understandings have been accepted to correct older schools of thought. Meanwhile, the natural world is as it was designed to be, whether fully understood or not.

    That's the problem. One of the first rules of natural science is that intelligent design may not be considered as an explanation for anything. It's kind of funny to see obvious intellect that is infinitely greater than our own be dismissed by little human experts in their little bubbles of self-perpetuated ignorance.

    People often like to argue in favor of the accident concept, but the more thoroughly it is considered, the more obviously impossible it is. And the more we learn about microbiology and other fine points of life on earth, the more impossible and ridiculous the evolution theory becomes.

    It was bad enough for scientists that the fossil record flatly disputes the evolution theory, but what we have learned about DNA since Darwin's time has ruled it out altogether. A mutation, for example, or a series of mutations, cannot evolve one species into another. A mutation is not new information in the DNA, but a loss of information. Mutations cannot turn one species into another because that would require new information. A bird's DNA contains a library of information pertaining to feathers. So could a mutation or any number of mutations transform a lizard into a bird? Mutations bring about deformities, disease, and death, which is why systems are in place in every cell to prevent them from occurring. Normally, a cell is not permitted to divide when there is an error in its DNA that cannot be repaired prior to division. This is why mutations are so rare.

    God has revealed Himself and has proven that He is God.
     
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    I firmly believe that more moral people are better and more valuable than immoral people, and each person is a mixture of moral and immoral. People I think do not seek only God but that our search is coupled with other concerns. God is like the sun that our desired planets orbit. God is like the bank from which we are seeking our loans. To say that we seek God is like saying that we seek banks or that we desire to burn up in the Sun. We do not. We seek some sunlight and some attention from the bank, but we also desire darkness and to be forgiven for missing loan payments. We don't want God directly or in purity, so we never seek God. We seek an orbit that provides something from God but which doesn't bring us into full contact.
     
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    I think that people are very diverse in their views on the ultimate goal of life. I also think it's unfortunate that some folks project their belief about this onto the rest of humanity. To add to that, there are lots of folks who have no belief about it, saying, "I don't know". Whatever you believe is fine by me. Just don't ask me to believe it too.
     
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    As far as looking for a cause, I find in Scripture that God's Power and Strength is the cause.
    In other words, God provided the abundantly needed dynamic energy to create the material/physical realm of existence.
    - Psalms 104:30; Isaiah 40:26; Jeremiah 10:12
     
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  13. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I would observe that assumption does not drive this thought from some faith adherents. From certain Faiths, there is guidance that man was created to know and love God. It is also suggested if we come to truly know our own selves, we would know God.

    I can understand if a person has not embraced any of these ideologies, then it can be seen naught but assumption.

    It will be an interesting future, what will science discover on this subject?

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    What's the difference between self and god?
     
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    Sorry no intent, but it does raise the idea as to when does our knowledge of what is life become clear?

    True.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I am happy for people to consider what was posted from their own perspective.

    We are all on this journey of life.

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    I do not see a threat, but I do see much can be gained by both science and religion finding a balance.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I did consider a poll question that asked if one considered their Faith had the only True path to God.

    Man definitely thinks they know a lot more than they actually do. We can all be judged on this aspect of life.

    I like the idea that man does evolve, but always as a distinct species. Our birth into this world could mirror the way man has evolved as a species.

    I agree God has kept His Covenant with humanity, that God would never leave us alone. Our part in that Covenant is to accept God's Messengers.

    Regards Tony
     
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    From my understanding we have the potential of all light within us. We have been created at the end of imperfection and beginning of perfection.

    Self is all that is not reflecting that potential perfection, God is the the light that can shine from us, when we strive to reach our potential.

    Regards Tony
     
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    The statement assumes that science is looking for a cause to god and that people are rejecting it. It just means its leaning one way (rejection) without taking into account science may not have to do with looking for a cause at all.

    A lot of people, and I do mean people, do see science as a threat to god.

    Hm.
     
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