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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by chinu, Oct 20, 2021.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    Christ on frigging bicycle. How can you forget your own posts so quickly? You made this bogus claim:

    " Doesn’t sound like you were ever born again to me or ever met Jesus Christ for yourself, "
     
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    Ok so you don’t know or you don’t want to say. When you figure it out let me know.:)
     
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    What the hell? I quoted you. It is rather amazing how you cannot follow the tenets of your own belief.

    Tell me what you do not understand. Try to be clear. You made a bogus claim. I pointed out how it was likely based upon an abuse of a Bible verse. I refused to put the verse that you probably abused because I do not want to be falsely accused of a strawman argument. Quit playing silly games. It is less than honorable to debate in this fashion.
     
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    I don’t make bogus claims, so what is the bogus claim you’re talking about?
     
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    Did you miss #295?
     
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    No. But I should have called you out for that nonsense too.

    You made another false accusation there that you cannot support.
     
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    You do all of the time. When you make claims and cannot properly support them they are bogus. And I already made it clear which bogus claim of yours that I was referring to. It was clear when I first made it and then I quoted from the post.

    Seriously do try to pay attention here.
     
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    How can a person say they were born again one minute and then say Jesus Christ is imaginary? Sorry, if you’re saying He is imaginary then you weren’t born again.
     
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    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    It's not just me, I know plenty of other people who have done just that.
    Which is just a no true Scotsman fallacy. The problem is that being 'born again' is just something that subjectively feels real that you believe is real. You can't provide any objective evidence for it, so dismissing my experience (and the others like me) as being different to yours is just blind faith. There is no test you can do on somebody who says they are 'born again' to tell if they are later going to reject it as not being real.
     
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    Brother, if you’re saying you met an imaginary person then you never met Him and certainly weren’t born again.
     
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    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    Again, you've edited out an ignored all the inconvenient things I said. Typical of blind faith. Faith is a well evolved meme, it's very good at preventing the mind from thinking objectively about it. You feel it's real (and you probably did have a real experience, I did), so you believe it's real, so it must be real, and people who reject it can't have experienced the same as you, because you believe that you know it's real. It's all entirely circular and self-sustaining. A difficult trap to get out of, but people do, nevertheless.
     
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    If person has a “blind faith” I would understand how they could be blown around from one thing to the next, there is no substance in that situation. My trust in God isn’t blind faith, He did something for me and revealed Himself, He filled me with His Spirit, changed me, opened my eyes to understand Scripture, He is active in my life every day. I know I have eternal life because God gave me a guarantee, His Spirit, that’s how I communicate with God, by His Spirit in prayer which is all through the day whether in the car, home, anywhere.
     
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    All of which is the sort of thing I would have said and all of which is entirely subjective and unverifiable belief, i.e. blind faith.
     
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    Not sure if we have the same definition of terms so here:
    Blind Faith
     
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    Because some people can see that the Bible is not true. It appears that you are claiming that if a person is born again that their brain no longer functions properly.

    You yourself have demonstrated that your belief is irrational. You refuse to even consider testing it properly. All you have is mere belief, and that is wrong quite often. When it comes to God claims it is demonstrably wrong most of the time.
     
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    No, you have blind faith and have continually confirmed that. I am rather amazed that you do not realize that.
     
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    LOL! Why on Earth would you use such a poor site? They contradict themselves almost immediately.
     
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    I don’t care what you think about the site, I look at the information presented.
     
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    I did too. It fails.

    But you really should care about the sites that you use. When one uses a known lying site it brings that person's honesty into question.
     
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    You’ll have to explain the “It fails”.
     
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