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Featured God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by chinu, Oct 20, 2021.

  1. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Why would I challenge the statement? It is nothing more than your personal belief.

    So instead of challenging your statement, I will simply ask:

    "Do you think, looking at the world around you, that is a good thing? And do you think it speaks well of your God?"
     
  2. Wildswanderer

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    Space isn't empty.

    It contains plasma of hydrogen and helium, as well as electromagnetic radiation, magnetic fields, neutrinos, dust, and cosmic rays.
    It's not nothingness and it didn't create itself.
     
  3. Subduction Zone

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    I never said that space was empty or even implied it. But what makes you thin that is "contains plasma"? You need a valid source for that. And you have not supported your claim at all.

    Do you understand how you are in error by thinking with only Newtonian physics?
     
  4. rational experiences

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    Satanisms ism man's thinking isms forces changes to God that God never owned.

    As science human became it's own God.

    Basic advice.

    The theist says God allows me to change whatever I want.

    Hence if God were consciousness it would make God evil.

    Said by men as satanisms.
     
  5. rational experiences

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    Emptiness owns holds any form of body within it.

    Only one body type could support multi.bodies within it as multi created self present forms.

    So it is empty to be the containment.

    For a space hole as the space to exist a pre existing body holding change exists also.

    To see a hole in empty space is to see form that still exists to make a hole appear.

    You cannot have a hole unless nothing emptiness exists.
     
  6. ElishaElijah

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    If you can’t read and understand what I wrote I’m understanding now how you fail to understand Scripture and twist that as well.
     
  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yeah, one has to pay for one's false beliefs, like those who were opposing vaccination and died by Covid-19. Therefore, check for the veracity of your beliefs. Do not blindly accept what is mentioned in books thousands of years old. Humans were not created from soil. It was a long process of evolution from microbes. Woman was not created out of the ribs of a man. The universe / world was not created in six days. There was no universal flood that covered the highest of the peaks for forty days.
     
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  8. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    What you see when you look around is an image created by your brain. There is no world. It is an illusion. I do not believe in existence of God/Gods/Goddesses. An illusion is neither good nor bad. It is just an illusion.
     
  9. ElishaElijah

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    The good thing about all this is you and I are personally responsible for the decisions we make with no one to blame for how things turn out, it’s for better or worse and I’m glad I received Eternal life through Jesus Christ, best decision I ever made.
     
  10. Subduction Zone

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    I can understand what you linked. I am very sure that you can't. And since it is your source the burden of proof lies upon you.

    By the way, I do not "twist scripture". I can honestly interpret scripture. Something that I seriously doubt if you can do.

    Come on. Show us that you actually understand. I will be polite when I correct your errors.
     
  11. rational experiences

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    Words.

    Humans.

    One word owns use of lots of words to give one word it's meaning.

    Then the holy one word gets manipulated meaning by non use of correct word usage.

    Eternal means once it lost gods portion of its eternal into destruction burst burnt. Only a thin womb spatial plane exists between destruction into evolved creation and the eternal.

    As space bulges. Science said it is a womb space status.

    We came out of the eternal into the pre formed cold but sacrificed gods heavens.

    As the eternal spirits that changed into ownership separately of all forms.

    No longer any eternal in the state creation.

    Jesus never gave you any eternal life.
    Wrong description.

    Jesus gave you a cloud imaged vision of a man in the clouds which is a hot gas first out of God the stones volcanic body.

    Why do you think a theist who theories applied science against God as science theory is told after life sacrifice that no man is God?

    Because the theory was said first. Theory about God proven wrong so both sides of the story theory to its reassessment of the theory was told.

    The contradiction itself.

    Man was told Jesus gave you a recorded image that will remain forever in gods heavens as recording does. A record. Is not any eternal meaning.

    Theory first. I want the eternal.

    Outcome you got sacrificed.
     
  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    That is nice if it floats your boat, even if not true. What constitutes me - molecules, received eternal life through science, my best ever decision. They can change form and associations but can never be destroyed. These atoms and molecules were there shortly after we began and will be there till shortly before we end.
     
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  13. TagliatelliMonster

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    It is exactly what you said.

    "when a person is born again like I was my eyes were opened"

    That's literally you merely sharing your religious beliefs. You presented this as justification for the claim that the bible is "verifiably true".

    So yes, your "argument" here, boils down to nothing more then it being verifiably true because you believe it.

    Which is your religious belief.


    Preaching scripture won't help turn this around.
    You're still just expressing religious beliefs.
     
  14. TagliatelliMonster

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    Copy pasting a link does not demonstrate that you understand, or even know, what is written on the page that said link links to.
     
  15. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    I assume that you are evil, therefore it is a fact as true and real that you are evil. In fact I control the world by how I think and I am sane, normal and rational and you are evil.

    I don't believe that the world is real. I have faith in the world to be fair in regards to knowledge and our general existence. I am believer and I admit it. You hide behind the word assumption and believe it makes you special and different from other believers.

    I assume that God exists, therefore it is a fact, that God exists,
    I assume that the world is real, therefore it is a fact, that the world is real.
    There are no functional difference between those 2.
     
  16. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    This seems to have little to do with what I said and you'll find stories like this where people found different (and contradictory) religions and gods, so, whereas I'm glad you got over your problems, it's not a reason to think that your god is actually real, that the bible is any less contradictory, or that you can justify it from itself.
     
  17. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Okay, if you can solve this problem and avoid methodological naturalism and show that philosophical naturalism is correct, I will agree with you.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science#Naturalism's_axiomatic_assumptions
     
  18. PureX

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    That's quite wrong. And the reason is that you are assuming that superstition is all religious faith is about. And it's not about that by a long shot. What it's about is how it makes people feel about themselves in relation to their experience of existing. And that's as real as anything real you can name. Especially when you realize that "objectivity" in human terms, isn't objective.

    You are raising a moderate level if insight into the physicality of existence way above it's actual importance. Because ultimately, what matters, is not our physical existence, or circumstances. It's our experience of it. Life for we humans is not primarily physical, it's experiential. Reasoned inquiry is a useful tool. But that's all it is. A useful tool.
    You've done no such thing. There is no "objective reality" from the human perspective. It's an ideological fiction, like infinity, perfection, and justice. There is also no such state as the "purely conceptual", or "purely imaginary". These, too, are ideological fictions that you've invented to maintain the fiction of an "objective reality". All reality is experiential: physically, conceptually, and imaginatively.
     
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  19. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    In the end it is the functional difference between these 2 versions of philosophy:
    "Philosophy, (from Greek, by way of Latin, philosophia, “love of wisdom”) the rational, abstract, and methodical consideration of reality as a whole or of fundamental dimensions of human existence and experience. ... philosophy | Definition, Systems, Fields, Schools, & Biographies"

    Many, if not most non-religious believer here, believe they can do the first one in strict a rational, abstract, and methodical terms and the rest of us are wrong in effect.

    I am one of the odd ones in that I am non-religious in the standard sense, yet admit i only have faith and beliefs in the end.
     
  20. chinu

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    Some hundreds of year back when there were NO scientists exist on this earth -- at that time people understood natural world more clearly because at that time both nature and people were much happier with each other as compare to today's world :)
     
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